Bad Blues ban (Eddie and Robbo too P10)

Newblue · **Posted:** Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:19 pm

JohnM wrote:

MPH78 wrote:

According to the BF dude, Mars was the sponsor we LOST.

Unsurprising. We currently come across as the Canterbury Bulldogs of the AFL. If I contolled a brand, there's no way I'd want it associated with the CFC right now.

Other AFL clubs may have had problems, but they've been able to be put down to the stupid actions of individual players, so the club doesn't become so tarnished. But this effort from the club is almost suicidal. You really couldn't have scripted a more effective way to disenfranchise potential sponsors and members.

Maybe the Canterbury of a few years back but definately not 2009.

CEO has worked wonders there

get rid of the hacks · **Joined:** Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:53 am **Posts:** 1194

Cazzesman wrote:

Thanks Barnsey.

What can get lost in all this, while the 'Calling for Heads' is so prevalent, is there are plenty of fabulous people at the club who would be completely shell shocked by all this. Those that have been working so hard behind the scenes to rebuild the club. So many diehard volunteers who work with the players everyday. Fix them, tend to them, laugh with them, cry with them and above all help them make it onto the ground week in week out.

Those people don't deserve the sadness this entire episode brings. Sure in the grand scheme of things a couple of drunk footballers is nothing but to many those footballers are the centre of their life. The Carlton Football Club represents so much to so many. Everyone of those employees, helpers & volunteers deserves better. They deserve an apology from the leadership group.

Regards Cazzesman

The problem is at Carlton their is NO leadership group
it is there in form...
it is not there in function...
what do they do when it counts?...easy to sit back and give Eddie and Cloke a suspension when asked to adjudicate...but what are they pro-actively doing to prevent problems

Ppl are pointing the finger at Judd...
Juddy is a great captain, but he needs 4 - 6 guys to back him up 365 days a year. He doesn't have them.

We need to find a leadership group with balls, intellegence and commitment to the club.

Lack of leadership was part of the reason we targeted Judd in the 1st place.

It seems the rest of the group are taking the easy route and leaving it all up to him.

If we had a leadership that worked they would have needed to sanction this cruise.
If they had commitment they would have decided to not get plastered themselves and oversee the group
If they had brains they would have inspected, and made a call on the amount of alcohol appropriate for a 3 hr cruise.
If they had any balls they would have stopped the cruise, turned the boat around, dumped excess grog overboard at some stage.

Sticks may be the rotting head.....but the leadership group is the rotting guts.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:46 pm

Blueblood wrote:

More great publicity :banghead:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/captiv ... 5813309312

That story is pretty disgraceful really. Worse, we are probably only hearing the tip of the iceberg. :oops:

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:52 pm

camelboy wrote:

Worse, we are probably only hearing the tip of the iceberg. :oops:

Another love story that ended in tears :cry:

Regards Cazzesman

Ruckus · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:17 pm **Posts:** 333

Cazzesman wrote:

What can get lost in all this, while the 'Calling for Heads' is so prevalent, is there are plenty of fabulous people at the club who would be completely shell shocked by all this. Those that have been working so hard behind the scenes to rebuild the club. So many diehard volunteers who work with the players everyday. Fix them, tend to them, laugh with them, cry with them and above all help them make it onto the ground week in week out.

Those people don't deserve the sadness this entire episode brings. Sure in the grand scheme of things a couple of drunk footballers is nothing but to many those footballers are the centre of their life. The Carlton Football Club represents so much to so many. Everyone of those employees, helpers & volunteers deserves better. They deserve an apology from the leadership group.

Regards Cazzesman

This is a terrific post, Cazzesman (thank you), and I suggest our players should be made to read it. All of them.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:08 pm

timetodeliver2004 wrote:

Not buying a membership or ripping up the one you already have will not help solve the problem. Yes, its frustrating, disappointing and I'm angry. We were starting to turn the corner, we'd made a positive stance trading Fev and now this has made us a laughing stock amongst opposition fans again.

However, this is a problem that faces the WHOLE club, its not confined to a couple of individuals. As supporters, we are part of what makes up that club. To not buy a membership is the equivalent of just running away when times get tough. Stay involved with the club, go down to training and talk to the guys involved and tell them how disappointed you are. I think you will find that that would have a rather big impact on a player, especially one like Eddie who gets so much joy out of interacting with the fans.

Not buying a membership leads to less revenue, which leads to more difficulties in establishing the mechanisms, facilities, education and training that is required to get the club into one that can function professionally.

Members can make a far more positive contribution to helping turn the club around than simply walking away.

I applaud this stance and I think the broader membership/supporter base really needs to send a message to the club that this is not @#$%&! good enough!

isdonis.george · **Posted:** Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:10 pm

Ruckus wrote:

Cazzesman wrote:

What can get lost in all this, while the 'Calling for Heads' is so prevalent, is there are plenty of fabulous people at the club who would be completely shell shocked by all this. Those that have been working so hard behind the scenes to rebuild the club. So many diehard volunteers who work with the players everyday. Fix them, tend to them, laugh with them, cry with them and above all help them make it onto the ground week in week out.

Those people don't deserve the sadness this entire episode brings. Sure in the grand scheme of things a couple of drunk footballers is nothing but to many those footballers are the centre of their life. The Carlton Football Club represents so much to so many. Everyone of those employees, helpers & volunteers deserves better. They deserve an apology from the leadership group.

Regards Cazzesman

This is a terrific post, Cazzesman (thank you), and I suggest our players should be made to read it. All of them.

Great post Cazzman.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:17 pm

bax wrote:

Seriously, 25 pages on this topic. Wow, that blew me away.

Maybe the real problem here is that it's the off season and there is nothing much to talk about footy wise. Now bang, we have a story.

I'm really sick of hearing all this sh#t on the radio re culture, who's to blame and members saying they wont renew memberships because of the players behaviors.

We have become so politically correct these days, that we can all criticize other people's behaviors in the blind belief that we are so perfect ourselves.

My thanks go out to Andrew Lovett for taking some heat of us. Now there's one bad seed.

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23924

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdeIZkZo2PM
twas either this or..the theme from gilligans island(read somethin' bout a 3 hour tour)...anyhoo...
another egg nog please bar keep.
to all a good night,
and a very happy,peaceful christmas. :gift:

Barnesy · **Posted:** Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:40 pm

jimmae wrote:

Barnesy wrote:

It is reported that St Kilda will be having a press conference at 4pm today re: Lovett and the allegations

http://www.theage.com.au/national/st-ki ... utostart=1

I think our club should have been more visual and has a press conference to outline and show some concern over what has happened in our own backyard.

That is only my opinion

You're actually comparing a string of misdemeanours to a sexual assault case?

Not at all.

And I think that is totally unnecessary to draw that conclusion.

What I am doing is highlighting that (in my opinion only) we should be more visual in our handling of the situation. The allegations and actions are poles apart, but in terms of limiting damage control to our club I would think the club needed to be out there and nip the situation in the bud as early as possible.

Do not in anyway believe that the allegations / facts are close.

blueman · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm **Posts:** 2220

Its not that I was totally against the Fevola trade - more a matter of whether or not we got sufficient compensation for the deal.

But it was more the idea that was expressed on this forum many times during that period which concerned me - and still does.

I had and still very much have a sense of foreboding about 2010. It isnt going to be a smoothly sailed season by any means...

The view of many here has been one which says that by ridding ourselves of Fevola we would suddenly see a change in club culture - was an concept which for me is an extremely dubious one.

It is something straight from the realm of textbook management - something to which the world hardly ever conforms to.

I also recall repeatedly warning that the post Fevola era will be a lot more difficult than some people here have assumed and that Carlton will take a step or two back before moving forward.

Well, I am sure that we can all see exactly why this is now indeed the case.

The Pollyanna syndrome is a trap that claims many wide eyed and naive victims..

Truth is that there's an awful lot of change and learning that needs to take place before we can even think about making the final 8 in 2010.

Throughout 2010 there will be a big question mark over the heads of the coach and also the executive.

By the last third of the home and away season - we will start to see some of the answers to those questions..

The chastened and circumspect Carlton of 2011 will be a lot different to what we see right now.

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 15012

The club has been issued a please explain from the AFL and has until 11th January to respond. The AFL was critical of Carltons lack of forthcoming information and wants a full explanation as to what occurred and what the club is doing about it.

17_will_be_the_sweetest · **Joined:** Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:58 pm **Posts:** 144

Cazzesman wrote:

Thanks Barnsey.

What can get lost in all this, while the 'Calling for Heads' is so prevalent, is there are plenty of fabulous people at the club who would be completely shell shocked by all this. Those that have been working so hard behind the scenes to rebuild the club. So many diehard volunteers who work with the players everyday. Fix them, tend to them, laugh with them, cry with them and above all help them make it onto the ground week in week out.

Those people don't deserve the sadness this entire episode brings. Sure in the grand scheme of things a couple of drunk footballers is nothing but to many those footballers are the centre of their life. The Carlton Football Club represents so much to so many. Everyone of those employees, helpers & volunteers deserves better. They deserve an apology from the leadership group.

Regards Cazzesman

Agree with the sentiments but disagree over who should be apologizing.

You can't pin this on the leadership group.

The fact is Eddie Betts, Andrew Walker, Ryan Houlihan, and Mitch Robinson should be making personal apologies.

Judd should not have to on their behalf.

That's a cop out.

We need individual players taking responsibility here.

Yes culture plays a role and yes the leadership group has a role.

But at the same time Simon Wiggins has been at the club since 2000, and he's never once been in trouble. He's a good egg.

People go on about how discipline won't work, about how the whole team has to be accountable. Well it worked for Steve Johnson.

Each time an individual stuffs up like this, they should be suspended.

We started that last year with Betts, Cloke missing a match, we then traded Fev, we need to continue it.

It is also time to start taking character into account when we recruit players as well.

Most other clubs do.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

kezza wrote:

The club has been issued a please explain from the AFL and has until 11th January to respond. The AFL was critical of Carltons lack of forthcoming information and wants a full explanation as to what occurred and what the club is doing about it.

Great news.

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:15 pm

I think were hoping this all goes away.

By the way... when does Swann act like a CEO?

Where the hell is he???

Why is Sticks the Bozo having to cop this alone again???

Each time there is a crisis Swann goes AWOL.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

The article on the AFL website indicates to me we've been hoping stories wouldn't get out and that they could be swept under the carpet.

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 7361

Synbad wrote:

I think were hoping this all goes away.

By the way... when does Swann act like a CEO?

Where the hell is he???

Why is Sticks the Bozo having to cop this alone again???

Each time there is a crisis Swann goes AWOL.

Good to see you catching on "S"......................

Trouble with Swann is he has an identity crisis.He wants to be CEO and the numero uno in the footy dept.He came that caper at the Pies and Mick and Eddie told him to EFF off to the front office where he belonged.He is the one leading Sticks around by the nose.That is until it gets hot and then he does a runner.SWANN IS THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM and the joint will always be a shithouse while he is running things.Fev was just a scapegoat for the bumbling idiot Swann.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

Ericpascoe who has a good record of hits on BF says up to 3-6 players to be suspended for the first 3-4 games if the season, then training with the Bullants for up to half the season.

I'd be happy with that outcome, except Eddie should receive double the suspension.

bosman · **Posted:** Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:46 pm

From what I have read,

Its official... We are the new Richmond...

We are turning on Swanny, Sticks and Judd, we are eating our own....

Merry Xmas...

isdonis.george · **Posted:** Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:55 pm

Do suspended players incur a financial penalty by not playing or are they paid anyway?

Bad Blues ban (Eddie and Robbo too P10)

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