I saw that as well, i understand this is the time that they can let their hair a little so to speak however Robbo was acting like a child and i just felt so bad for Juddy that night as he was trying to keep him in check.

One of my mates went up to them in the middle of their argument and Juddy just looked over at him and sternly said "not now" he seemed pretty frustrated with the whole situation. Robbo was out of control and being pretty disrespectful to his captain.

On a side not another mate had a photo with Eddie and as the photo was being taken my mate (scum supporter) yells "FEVOLA", eddie turned around and brushed him off and said "Flower off out of here mate".

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A mate of mine saw a few of the boys at the provincial and said the Walks was looking after Robbo (who got kicked out)......I can't believe he's gone from mediator to bad boy in one night!

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Personally I blame PAGAN!!!

I mean this is a bloke that empowered Carey into god like status at NM and then did the same with Fev. He certainly has a talent for picking talented mentalists.

I know walks and trust me he only got involved in this situation trying to keep Houla out of trouble. Things escalated and the rest is history... Walks is a good kid and very committed to his football, houla is a repeat offender and needs to be punished.

Walker was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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There has been a lot of opinion and not a lot of fact, it sounds like you know a bit of what happened.

What sort of trouble was Houlihan in that caused Walker to help him out?

He was being harassed for walking around the hotel in his pants.

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It was reported on SEN this morning by a reporter (sorry forgot his name) that all the boys were at the club Christmas Party on a boat where they were drinking all day long. It seems that Tex & Holua decided to book a room rather than drive and were a sleep (quite tanked from the party) until houla's girl came in and started on him (on what - who knows??). Unfortunately he followed her down stairs and into the foyer and continued their argument and thats when the security got involved and subsequently Tex as well. Not a great look for the club but not as bad as being reported.

Cheers

From what i was told Houla was blotto and before the incident Walks apparently told him to sleep it off and stay in his room.. However as we now all know Houla left his room and got screaming match with his girlfriend in the hall. His gf was telling him to get back in the room before security showed up.. This led to walks leaving his room to try and get Houla back inside.

Now when Crown Security get there they were very heavy handed (apparently Crown is still filthy with Carlton after they were blamed for the Fevola incident and consequently had alcohol restrictions placed on them) Walks admittedly had a couple of drinks that night as well but still very much had his bearings... Security guards were not very respectful towards them and aggravated the situation. Walker initially was just trying to poor cold water on the whole situation and get everybody back into their rooms and into bed.

Walks took umbrage to some of the things the security guards said about Houla and his girlfriend and obviously he also was a little intoxicated and overreacted (as most of us probably would have) and a fight ensued.

Morale of the story silly boys in particular a 27 year old who cant look after himself and needed a 23 year old to fight his battles and take a bullet for him.

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Point taken, but I think you forgot about the chicken thing. More surprising about that was that it was some of their more senior and respected players leading the charge.

Piecing a few things together it seems the Houlihan and Walker story is more a case of being a story because of who they are, rather than them stepping too far over the line. That said, it's a bad look for them and the club.

It's clear the club cannot control every move of the players, but it would appear the club can better prepare our players so that they understand the flow on effect their piss ups can have on them as individuals and the club as a whole.

Whatever education programs the club currently has in place, they are simply not good enough.

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Too much form for Hoops. OUT.

Walks is a decent guy, stepping in whilst he was still half cut not a great career move. Heavy fine. Lesson Walks - get down with dogs, get up with fleas....

Enough of this crap, enough.

I cant see where all this form is for Houla.

Ok...I'm ditching my 'I Heart Carlton' t shirt.
Gonna get one that says..'I blame Judd.'

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Benji, you watered that story down so much I could have sworn the boys were still on the boat!

Thats the gist of it Doc. Give or take no need to get onto particulars

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No Eric is right.....they are on leave from the club, and something has gone a little wrong.
Cops were there but no arrests, so can't be anything too serious.
People argue they get big $ but the reality is only a very few at each club get big $.

This whole role model thing is crap !!!!!! Footballers may be role models but they are way down the pecking order in importance.
Parents are a kids main role model, not footballers. Teachers, older family members and friends too.
Kids watch wrestling too....but they are encouraged to act like idiots.
Kids idolise movie characters that blow each other up,swear and act cool.

Even if footballers are role models kids should learn that everyone makes mistakes anyway.

But if a footballer stuffs up its Armageddon.

Did John Nichols' issues turn any of the young Carlton supporters at the time into criminals ???????????
Have Cats supporters turned to smack since G Ablett snr had his problems ???????????
Is there an increase in Norf supporters shagging their best friends GFs since Carey/Mrs Stevens.???????????
Any increase on Bummers supporters bashing their GFs after the incident with Lovett??
Did WA drug use increase during Cuzz's wild times, and then subside when he went into rehab ??????

If they don't break the law or do something that reduces their ability to perform I don't really care.

HUN just updated this story at 2.50 and surprise surprise here come the allegations....

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/bad-blues-ban/story-e6frf9jf-1225812575703



They are suggesting that Walks and Houla started to fight between each which goes against everything I've heard thus far.

GOD i hope this is not true and its just the HUN's way of sensationalizing the story re Setanta/Cloke

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Most of these footballers just can't help themselves. Walk into a club/bar thinking they're larger than life, cause shit, make absolute tools of themselves, disturb individuals wanting to have a nice night out, and then wonder why they either cop one, or get shit-canned in the newspaper. Absolutely disgraceful, these pricks often struggle to hold their grog and fail show any form of self control more often than not. I'm not going to launch into the argument that the 'great' teams do not have these off-field indiscretions, because in reality, much of them actually do. Wayne Carey in 1996 comes to mind, Kerr/Cousins in 05/06, Steve Johnson in 2007 and the list goes on.

If this incident is any indicator however, it is the signal for both players to redeem themselves in 2010 by having great seasons, or be shown the door by the end of next year. Steve Johnson is a perfect example of this, getting done for drink driving at the start of 2007 and going on to win the norm smith medal. It's fair to say Houlihan is no world-beater, and neither is Walker, despite the expectations he has. Both need to lift however in 2010 or I'm afraid they should be shown the door.

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Tiger's marraige may be ruined but what is the divorce rate in the US or here anyway ?

His life ruined ??????.....LMFAO x 10

After divorce he will have close to a billion $......he has his health......he has his ability....he is young....he has no criminal record....he can still play the tour....he has heaps of contacts.....he could earn 10x your annual earnings doing public speaking alone.

If he wants another family I am sure he can still find someone nice

He may be less marketable.......but that means SFA considering how rich he is already.

Look at homeless drug addicts with no income and family, they are the one who have ruined lives.

Fire extinguishers, Universities, Nth Melb dry cleaners....

Why compare this to Tiger Woods?.....he has been caught serial cheating on his Mrs for 5 years....compare apples with apples.

Also Walker and Hoops are not the "FACE" of Carlton.
That's why Juddy is rightfully paid the big bucks while these guys are not.
Are we going to lose Visy as a sponsor over this......I guess not.
Tourism Malaysia or Tele-Choice?....lets see....I guess no again.