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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:57 pm 
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Not buying a membership or ripping up the one you already have will not help solve the problem. Yes, its frustrating, disappointing and I'm angry. We were starting to turn the corner, we'd made a positive stance trading Fev and now this has made us a laughing stock amongst opposition fans again.

However, this is a problem that faces the WHOLE club, its not confined to a couple of individuals. As supporters, we are part of what makes up that club. To not buy a membership is the equivalent of just running away when times get tough. Stay involved with the club, go down to training and talk to the guys involved and tell them how disappointed you are. I think you will find that that would have a rather big impact on a player, especially one like Eddie who gets so much joy out of interacting with the fans.

Not buying a membership leads to less revenue, which leads to more difficulties in establishing the mechanisms, facilities, education and training that is required to get the club into one that can function professionally.

Members can make a far more positive contribution to helping turn the club around than simply walking away.


hmmm..that gives me an idea.
Our cat always turns her back on us whilst still sitting in the same room,if she feels we have slighted her in some way.
Should we turn up for training,but sit facing the other way en masse for a few minutes to make a point?...would anyone notice do you think?
The Carlton Football Club represents so much to so many. Everyone of those employees, helpers & volunteers deserves better. They deserve an apology from the leadership group.
(quote from caz)
yes,I agree with you Caz...and maybe an apology...as soon as possible,is what is required...too many upset people right now.
and then..an outline of exactly what measures will be taken to ensure a future for our precious club that we can all be proud of.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:20 pm 
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My view is, just like an angry shareholders meeting, we should have 'shares' ie memberships etc, and we should exercise our right to voice our concerns at the activities of the board.

Its cliched, but we are paying these guys.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:29 pm 
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According to the BF dude, Mars was the sponsor we LOST.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:33 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:
According to the BF dude, Mars was the sponsor we LOST.


Unsurprising. We currently come across as the Canterbury Bulldogs of the AFL. If I contolled a brand, there's no way I'd want it associated with the CFC right now.

Other AFL clubs may have had problems, but they've been able to be put down to the stupid actions of individual players, so the club doesn't become so tarnished. But this effort from the club is almost suicidal. You really couldn't have scripted a more effective way to disenfranchise potential sponsors and members.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:38 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
According to the BF dude, Mars was the sponsor we LOST.


Unsurprising. We currently come across as the Canterbury Bulldogs of the AFL. If I contolled a brand, there's no way I'd want it associated with the CFC right now.

Other AFL clubs may have had problems, but they've been able to be put down to the stupid actions of individual players, so the club doesn't become so tarnished. But this effort from the club is almost suicidal. You really couldn't have scripted a more effective way to disenfranchise potential sponsors and members.


Couldn't agree more. So disheartened right now it's not funny.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:39 pm 
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It is reported that St Kilda will be having a press conference at 4pm today re: Lovett and the allegations

http://www.theage.com.au/national/st-ki ... utostart=1

I think our club should have been more visual and has a press conference to outline and show some concern over what has happened in our own backyard.

That is only my opinion

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:42 pm 
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One thing lost in all this.

The Age claims Carlton knew on Sunday about Eddie Betts. So what do we do? We release a media statement on Monday about Walker and Houlihan but conveniently 'overlook' Betts. No doubt we were hoping we could find a way to sweep that under the carpet.

We're morons.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:42 pm 
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It is reported that St Kilda will be having a press conference at 4pm today re: Lovett and the allegations

http://www.theage.com.au/national/st-ki ... utostart=1

I think our club should have been more visual and has a press conference to outline and show some concern over what has happened in our own backyard.

That is only my opinion

You're actually comparing a string of misdemeanours to a sexual assault case?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:46 pm 
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As I alluded to in my post last night/early this morning, the club should of done SOMETHING today.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:46 pm 
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What an absolute disaster.

However we will be defined by how the club/players react to this. It could be an opportunity or it could be the end of the line for many.

Remember last preseason when Setanta booted Cloke up the clacker. Who would have thought Setanta would still be on the list at the end of the year? The point is he reacted the right way and put his head down, bum up. It resulted in his best year.

Lets hope the rest of the list can do the same.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:52 pm 
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It is clear that CFC continues to have a major cultural problem and this comes as no surprise to me.

It has been evident to all and sundry for years and as such it was never going to be fixed in a day. However until it is completely expunged from the psyche of players and administrators, including the Board, it will continue to hold back CFC from becoming a modern professional football club capable of winning premierships..

Removing Fev was the mere the start of this process; it was never the be all and end all to resolving CFC's cultural problems. Fev engendered a cavalier, beer swilling ethic, a contempt for authority and an indifference to training which he shared with a few others in different degrees. These people have not learnt from the Fev example and have not corrected their wayward ways.

All is not lost though as it is clear though that we have sorted one of 3 of these problems - the commitment to training. Reports from our training watchers have been extremely promising with a new energy and commitment emerging. A tick to the players and coaches for this achievement -it represents progress for CFC.

But the beer drinking mentality and the contempt for the authority of the CFC and CFC supporters is still evident and needs to be sorted. And CFC must now resolve these problems once and for all. This requires frank and fearless discussion at Board level followed by incisive and swift action so that the cancers are removed for once and for all.

Swannie needs to take the lead and demand that the Board support him. If Sticks is part of the problem, then remove him. If it is certain players then remove them. 4 January is fine from my point of view to do this but it needs to be unequivocal.

At the end of the day all Board members, administrators, coaches and players are representatives and ambassadors of CFC and are judged by members accordingly. At the moment there is a stench in the air and members are rightfully angry.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:59 pm 
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I reckon we hold a protest rally at princess park on Jan 4 when the players get back from their break (the day sticks gives his big 'dressing down'). The club officals and player need to know how angry and disapointed the supporters are.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:08 pm 
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After the Fev brownlow night incident you would have thought the club would have put a stop to any event that it thought may have lead to usavoury incidents.

40 footy players on a boat cruise with grog would ring alarm bells to a drovers dog but not Swann and Sticks.

The sensible thing after the Fev incident would have been for the club to say to the players " sorry, but in view of recent events we think it is best you have a quiet xmas beak up ... devonshire tea in the past players room".

We should have pre empted the possibility of a problem ... 40 footy players on a boat cruise with grog ... not a hard one to work out in terms of what could go wrong ... surely we are paying Swann the big bucks to work these sort of things out.

So what happens next xmas ???

I'm not expecting our players to be choirboys but by gee we seem to have assembled a very immature group.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:23 pm 
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One of my major concerns is how the club is being reactive to events, such as the Betts incident. In this day and age, it's essential to get on the front foot and release information under your own terms. It's about both damage control and demonstrating control over a situation.

When the Herald Sun starts running your agenda, you're in serious trouble.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:30 pm 
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Seriously, 25 pages on this topic. Wow, that blew me away.

Maybe the real problem here is that it's the off season and there is nothing much to talk about footy wise. Now bang, we have a story.

I'm really sick of hearing all this sh#t on the radio re culture, who's to blame and members saying they wont renew memberships because of the players behaviors.

We have become so politically correct these days, that we can all criticize other people's behaviors in the blind belief that we are so perfect ourselves.

My thanks go out to Andrew Lovett for taking some heat of us. Now there's one bad seed.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:30 pm 
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Bugger Kernahan getting in their ears. Time for a bit of the old Ron Barrassi "SIT DOWN, SHUT-UP, AND PAY ATTENTION" treatment. They'll be shitting bricks in no time and think twice about stepping out of line. :smoking:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:33 pm 
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Over it.
Over all of it.

It'd be great if i could fall asleep and wake up 5 mins before our first game


Merry Christmas Carlton Football Club...


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:45 pm 
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Blueboy wrote:
What an absolute disaster.

However we will be defined by how the club/players react to this. It could be an opportunity or it could be the end of the line for many.

Remember last preseason when Setanta booted Cloke up the clacker. Who would have thought Setanta would still be on the list at the end of the year? The point is he reacted the right way and put his head down, bum up. It resulted in his best year.

Lets hope the rest of the list can do the same.
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I'm confident this administration and Football Department will work hard and get things right. They would be gutted as much as anyone.
Sometimes it takes things like this to change an embedded culture. It's not a person (Fevola) as much as a culture. Fevola's closest mates at the Club are still there and one of them apparently organised the trip. Whoever brought the stuff used to tie the rookies down needs a real boot up the clacker. It’s an ugly image that gives the media plenty to work with. If any of the assistant coaches were there you’d be disappointed if they weren’t making every effort to cut out those sort of things.
Much as I support Sticks and Ratts I was disappointed in the way Setanta was hung out to dry for the Cloke incident. He's a non-drinker and from all accounts prepared to biff his bro Aisake for drinking too much. Seems like he’s one of few showing real leadership. The other protagonist, Cloke, later missed a training session with Eddie and Garlo.
The late great Sir Richard may not have been able to help us at all with this issue. He was influential in Fevola’s services being retained at the Club for so long.
I've been a sole invited older guest on quite a few of this type of function over the years and taken it on myself to dampen things down when they're getting out of hand. I found if you keep asking people not to do something you eventually wear them down and they've still had a bit of fun testing you.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:45 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
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Phew ..... Port Melb incident is St. Kilda's problem.


So what your saying is St Kilda are still St Kilda.

I think Andy D is about to spew up and kick some ass.


Good for him.
And so he should!!

Also .... I think might have said, "Port Melb incident is St. Kilda's problem"

ie. It's not our problem !!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:53 pm 
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