I'm not sure what rock I have been hiding under. To me the club is doing all it can. Last time I looked the club did not have an magical remote control that they can press to modify the behaviour of an individual in the drunken wee hours of the morning.

As you mentioned, the club has taken a tough line on this sort of behaviour and should be admired for not letting things like this slide. Wait until the players get back after the Christmas break to see what action, if any, the leadership group takes.

And clearly most of the players went on this boat trip and so I am guessing that many players saw the offenders getting a bit blotto and did nothing to stop them, so it seems that the peer pressure does not have the desired effect either.

To me what we are missing from the story is the motivation of the players. I think that the rationalle of the players in question needs to be looked at and then behaviour modification/education needs to take place. I mean what was it that caused Houla to appear in the foyer of Crown dressed only in undies? It is pretty unusual behaviour yes? It was hinted that there could have been some type of relationship issue. Why was Eddie agro?

The most accurate indicator of future behaviour is past action. Therefore you need to look at the stimuli for these players' action and help them develop alternative ways to cope.

Now I know that this might seem a little "light" to someone's whose first reaction is to punish the entire playing group, but it really is the only way to treat individual behaviour.

If the fev saga tought us anything, it showed that we can not modify inherent individual characteristics/behaviour through group intervension. In the heat of the moment it is apparent that individual will revert to their primal instincts, add alcohol-affected judgement and you have a recipe for disaster... no amount of 4am trips to the bay will counter that.

The 15,000 grand in fines buys a lot of hours with a behavioural psychologist.

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"our guest is dressed by hand-me-downs, hair designed by pillow"

Here comes the big stick....

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 5813289684

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We are on our way back...

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's no Santa?

It's pretty shattering when you realise some of your fav players are absolute drop punts of blokes...

They are just ordinary people who do dumb things when drunk.

More great publicity

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/captiv ... 5813309312

At this point in time - not much more they could do. My issue is the boat cruise piss up with out an adequate safety net. Prevention is far better than cure. I hope Kernahan gets and takes on board some good advice before he addresses the playing group and the individual players involved.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Not the right message

A rookie for Christ's sake?

Hopefully appropriate action is taken, some players are obviously out of control.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Hasn't the place changed considerably since Richard Pratt's passing.

If we are not careful we may end up back where we were prior to Pratt taking on the presidency.

40 players on an end of year booze up cannot be called an unofficial function ... who does Swann think he is kidding.

If the club have not stopped it going ahead then they have endorsed it.

In light of the Fev Brownlow incident you would have thought that the club would have insisted on a devonshire afternoon tea instead.

naughty naughty ...... BRING BACK FEV!

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"I can't wait to win a premiership with this club" - Fev

This article seems to be the worst of the worst so far.

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

OMFG!!!!!






This is far worse then I thought and its not just a couple of players. Players were drunk when they arrived at lunch time!!!!!!! Where was the Captain and the leadership group?? It's clear that this playing group is dysfunctional. Sack the ringleaders and appoint a leadership group that intervenes when a rookie is treated like this.

I would cancel the groups leave and arrange training for the 28th and training on the 31st in the evening - I am serious - the club has to put their foot down.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

In terms of club culture and image can it get any worse? These are not good time for the Carlton Football Club and I agree with Mikkey - get the players together today. Don't give a toss whether they are on break or not. Our brand has been sullied! Maybe this had to happen to get it out of the place.
Tomorrow should be an (another) interesting day.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Since 3 quarter time in Brisbane there have been way too many "amateur hour" moments exposing the club's poor management.

First, we conceed the corridor for 30 minutes and watch Brissy destroy us, which should've focussed us and strengthened our resolve.

Then the Judd at the airport debacle (amateur hour from club management)

Then Fev isn't stopped by our present officials at the Brownlow (amateur hour from club management)

Then the Sticks press conference that made us look bad even after doing 'the moral thing' and trading Fev (amateur hour from club management)

Then this remarkably bizzarre event!!! (amateur hour from club management and leadership)


It all goes straight to the top - a hopelessly incompetent President, a "yes-men" board, an unconvincing match committee.

As far as the MC goes - they have been given another year to prove themselves, so no need to open that debate.

But it's obvious that serious change is required in the management of this club.

How many screw ups must be tolerated??? Amateur episode after amateur episode followed by amateur episode.


Oh King Richard - you left us way too early, your work not even half done.

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They will know that they've been playing against the famous old dark blues

Captive Carlton rookie had to be rescued by his family? Seems a bit over the top. They do have to sell papers though and 'drunk teen gets picked up by dad' probably wouldn't garner the same attention.

Totally concur with Mikkey's suggestion of cancelling the break and getting them back on the 28th for a crisis meeting......

My five year old said to me today after hearing about Eddie Betts on the radio (who is one of his favourite players if not the favourite since Fev left)...." Dad, I'm not sure I want to barrack for Carlton anymore...they don't seem like nice people cause they're always fighting or getting into trouble from the police...."

My navy blue heart nearly broke in half

Put it in this perspective... your son had just been rookied by an AFL club and the whole family was over the moon coming into Christmas and then this happens. What would you do?

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

I think he should've not talked to the media.

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Chris Judd: 'I've since watched some Steven Seagal movies and realise pressure points are no laughing matter.'

slap myself cos i was that naive in the first place to think shit like this doesnt happen all the time , chat to my son and explain peer pressure and how he doesnt need to try and be a 'hero' in instances like this - then slap myself again for not having that talk 5 years ago - then punch myself in the face for being a bitch and crying to the media about it

then crank out the xmas beers !!

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I did talk about the Sticks leadership and presidency.
after a flogging to Freo at the GC Sticks thought maybe the players needed some bonding... and led them to a booze up.
Then there is the Setanta O'Hailpin situation... the kid doesnt drink.. and he didnt click with alot of the players.. they considered him abit of a loner and an outsider.. so it was suggested to him that he should start drinking..
I did touch upon and predict what Mad Monday was going to do..... subsequently it was allowed to become a huge piss up and more strife.
then that continued on to Brownlow night.. where the suits pissed off and let Fev continue on till we had to dismiss him...
But dont worry.., Sticks had the media under control....
Were a throwback to a past culture.. where men had moustaches .. hairy chest and gold chains.. and drank till they dropped.
The days of Marsh and Lillee and the rest of the ockers...
Where Boon wote himself down in the history books for downing 700 cans on the plane to the Ashes.
Where Sticks sand "Stand by your man" even though he was better off having a lie down...
the days where clubs had booze ups for club fund raisers.

Were still there... but Ratts talks about "the Carlton Swagger" Ratts is going to bring that back for us... for he inherited that world.. but what Ratts doesnt understand is .. it was created by alot of hard work by guys like George Harris and RonBarassi.. and they paved a glorious road to the dynasty of "THe Carlton swagger".. these blokes believe its just going to happen that we will win premierships again.. cos its the Carlton thing "Were Carlton @#$%&! the rest!"....
Trust is were so behind the powerhouse clubs of todays AFL its not funny.

They reckon Fev was allowed to become a Frankestein..cos noone pulled him in.
The problem is they have traded Fev... Judd is stupidly rubbed out for 3 weeks.. they are panicking cs they dont know how to find Fevs missing goals next season.. and unless they start handing out huge suspensions.. and change the cukture of the club.. i feel were going to fall further and further behind the leaders.
We have a weak president.. who wont go... he actually thinks hes a good president.. but i doubt youll see him fronting the media live too many times.
We have a pathetic board who are there cos they wanna be on the board when we win the flag... so they can say they did it.
We have a coach who is out of his depth and this year is really going to be a brain teaser for him... and got his job cos of the matesy mate mentality that seems to be under every stone around the club.

they just came back from a leadership camp at Sorrento.. and organised DecemberFest....

I wanna organise one of those Spanish style rotten tomato throwing fesivals at some of the blokes coaches.. footy dept people.. board members..players and of course El Presidente the dummy president himself.

The Papers are encouraging you to send in your photos and videos if you have captured a moment ...

To have a rookie forced to drink comatose and have his family rescue him is just pathetic.

The fish Sticks from the head......

Someone has to be held accountable..

Swann
Kernahan
Icke
Ratten

Someone better put their hand up.....

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