Sorry Hack but that is uninformed drivel. Do you think the TAC write a 'risk factor' for 2 or 3 Collingwood players being nabbed for .05. 2 is fine but any more is too much Does Nike write a 'risk factor' for Tiger having 10 mistresses. 5 is fine but 10 is just over the bench mark. Why should any Company paying 2.5 Million over 3 years have to put up with the person/business/club tarnishing their brand?

It's not a risk factor, it's an assessment of what the perception is by the people who buy their product. The worse the perception the more likely the plug gets pulled. The media help fuel that perception, infact they damn near engineer it. And at the moment the media are having a field day in a slow news week.

Tiger's Sponsors have jumped off because the media have wound up the huddled masses to such an extent that it was effecting sales for his Sponsors. That's where the risk is. Tiger has sullied their brand in the eyes of the public because the likes of Conan and Leno are tearing him a new one every night and the Sponsors names are part of the gag.

Every time the latest incident has been mentioned, the media has taken great joy in reading out the entire litany of past indiscretions by Carlton Footballers. The latest incident now becomes another red pin head on board full of red pin heads. That's what the Sponsors see.

How would you feel being a Carlton Sales rep trying to sell Carlton to a possible Sponsor. The 1st thing the would be Sponsor says is 'When does it stop?' The 2nd is 'What are you doing to Stop it?'

Do you think the witty Salesman says..........'Boys will be boys, get over it! Now about that big fat cheque.'

People are dreamin if they think this has no effect in the real world of dollars and cents and it's just a minor thing to be laughed off with....'He was just letting off steam'.

Regards Cazzesman

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I tend to debate the victim image the AFL players are given also, in that they are 'targetted' by the public. It is not always the case, with many cases being that the AFL players are that moronic that they often insinuate much of the trouble as they feel they are larger than life. True, the press would be all over them regardless, although I think being a public target is a bit of an exaggeration. Not saying some of the public don't target them, but the players often play an active role in trouble too.

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"GIBBS."

As if it wasn't bad enough. On Fox the story about last night (which followed the hun model) was immediately followed by Matthew Knights offering fatherly advice to his players on how to behave during their holidays. Once again, these flowers are allowed to take the moral high ground and be made to look like darlings because of us

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#GUILTY

I just can't believe Houla was involved in any sort of physical altercation...

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Educational programs are useless without the student really wanting to be educated in the first place. It's like people who lose their license for speeding, until they cause serious injury or death it goes in one ear and out the other. A fine or loss of license is seen as an inconvenience.

I hope you're not intimating what i think your intimating.

Its not a Carey like story is it

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

If what Doc Sherrin is intimating on this site and another site is true about Walker, a bloke with a wife and a young kid, then Walker should be moved on as soon as possible.

Wasn't Houlihan given a disciplinary spell in the bullants last year?

When the club says they've been fined and disciplined, what does the disciplined part entail?

I think they've got off lightly. Getting rid of the binge drinking culture is overdue.

I'm pissed off because now i've got to spend x-mas day listening to my Aints supporting outlaws bringing up ANOTHER drunken episode involving Carlton players. I wish the idiots would grow up.
Imo this goes to the top. Why doesn't Ratts come out and put ALL players on notice. Roo's has the no flower policy in Sydney, Scott has already publicly put his players on notice regarding alcohol and the way they represent the club...and he's a first year coach ffs!

All starting to wear a bit thin. We continually seem to give ammunition to the fans of the other 15 clubs.

We need some real leadership..it shouldn't be up to Judd to hold everyones hands.

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Need to share some experience that may be contrary to your point Get rid of the hacks

Having been involved in sponsoring some of Aust biggest events and well regarded sporting clubs, a sponsor does not embrace misdemeanours. Front page negative press is a deterent to securing new sponsors or maximising potential revenues from existing sponsors.

No-one would be jumping up and down with the profile.

I don't think I'm intimating much other than Walks' is a horny devil and that things sometimes go a little haywire if you walk a fine line. That this has any on-field ramifications is unknown. I don't think you can move someone you've invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in on just because after a few drinks they don't always think with their brain.



Was twofold...more to do with form and not following team rules of gameday than anything else.



Club might be keen to keep these details in house and rightly so.

This has deflated a bit my anticipation of 2010.
There must be quite a few potential members and sponsors that feel similarly.

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No way - that's next decade! Chin up

You've got it arse about.
Players are well informed about the expectations and sacrifices required. If they dont have the discipline or character required, they're more than free to throw it away and play footy at a lower level.
Nobody is chaining them to the club.
It's simple. Tow the line or piss off and play for Oak Park.

As for Fevola, well we saw tonight why he was moved on. The Channel 7 news mentioned the Houlihan/Walker incident then went on to show Fevola at the Brownlow, Fevola pissing on a shop window, Fevola in Ireland and details of Fevola and Houlihan at the dry cleaners.
Even when he's a Brisbane player this empty head is still being used to tarnish our brand.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Ooh, kinky.

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"I had to eat"

agreed about ratts!! i really feel that he hasn't got the respect of all the players... it feels like whenever something happened at the club, there were 2 or 3 players who would cop it every time, being stevo, scotland etc...

i dont think ratts dragged fev once last year, why?? i have no clue. GROW SOME LITTLE ROUND ONES RATTS!

ITS SERIOUSLY TIME TO TURN THIS PLACE UPSIDE DOWN

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This is flowering funny

WH is on record as saying that we never even interviewed Mitch because (having traded#24 for 206) we never expected Mitch to be available @ #40 (we have all heard we rated him top 10)

15 other clubs interviewed and psych tested Mitch but they all passed on him... ...and WH couldn't believe his luck when Robbo "slid" to our 3rd rounder.

The only club that didn't interview him took him

Plenty of unsavoury reports about his behaviour, and the company he kept in Tas surfaced post draft, but he was keen to get himself on the straight and show 100% commitment to his footy, and everyone has kept their fingers crossed all will be ok.

I wish Mitch all the best but it seems he is another who may also have a constant battle with his off field issues.

*yawn*

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dane's trolling again

The most disturbing thing about this whole thread is Mitch's behaviour. A real concern
Disrespect is the worst trait to display, especially to group leaders. It is disruptive and undermining

No wonder he fell to 40!

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C'mon Blueboys!

If you can pull that 'record' up you are quoting I'd love to see it.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Sorry Cazz its not drivel.....of course there is a risk to sponsoring a football team.
Sponsors make a deal with a mature CEO and then hope the whole team will act in the best interests of their brand.
You the sponsor cannot control the actions of 40+ different personalities who are now representing your brand.
How many clubs have been incident free over a sustained period ?
BTW i thought the Tiges also had a TAC sponshorship cancelled.

Tiger just showed how big the risk is as he was able to portray himself as a Saint that wasn't.
Lucky he fit in with Nike's slogan "Just Do It"

Squeaky clean Federer has probably just become the worlds "safest" bet for major sponsors.

I am not saying incidents do no do harm to the marketing dept.
In this case not enough has surfaced to form a strong negative opinion about anyone, but the opportunity for the press to recount past indescretions is hurtful.

But why is all the blame on these 2 players ?

If there was a big club piss up on a boat it is stupidity to allow drunken footballers to stay at Crown with their 5000 cameras.

Maybe the admin should have learnt from FEV and placed a total ban on all Carlton players entering Crown except for official AFL functions.

Crown attracts Melbourne's underworld, gamblers, drug dealers, scammers and low lifes. A club wide ban on this place would be sensible.

Maybe the football dept. should have made arrangements for drunk players to stay at a more discrete location.

Football clubs cant guarantee sponsors an incident free 3 years behaviour by it's players.
The sales rep can guarantee 20 pics of Judd a year a year with their logo on show.
The rep can guarantee all the positive exposure that the club is in control of.
There is also a reason that football clubs are mainly sponsored by companies targeting males, because they are more tolerant of male indescretions.