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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:54 am 
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The only change to the coaching staff is that Cappuano wil be full time in 2010.

Those that know me, know my sources are reliable.

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:09 am 
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Thanks Freddy.
That should hit it on the head. Your sources are impeccable.
The full time appoinment of Capuano appears a good one. The ruckmen really took big steps forward this year and the boys were vocal in their support for him.

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:42 am 
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Huge improvement on McKee (when he turned up).

Matty Lappin's job maybe a bit easier now.

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:24 pm 
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cheers Freddy



How in the blue hell can there be no change when it was clear to almost everyone that we failed in the areas of kickouts and fluent ball movement and a multi dimensioned forward structure???? .....baffling!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:34 pm 
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Good point Budzy

I guess its a different angle from the coaches box. Ratts must think we are travelling well.


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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:39 pm 
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We've got the raw playing talent.. have we got the right coaching/development structure?????

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:31 pm 
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Cheers Freddy !

Very disappointing outcome.

Freddy - Do you know if we made efforts to get onboard new coaches or were content with the present lot ?

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:39 pm 
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The coaching staff deserve a chance to show what they can do without one hand tied behind their backs...e.g. team meetings disrupted, team rules ignored on and off the field (by a past player).

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
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Quite disapointed with this news, was really hoping for some fresh 'blood'. I thought some of the coaching last year left a lot to be desired and that a couple of new coaches with new ideas might help us out a little. Well they had better pick up their act in '10 or I will be calling for blood !!

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:14 am 
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amers wrote:
Quite disapointed with this news, was really hoping for some fresh 'blood'. I thought some of the coaching last year left a lot to be desired and that a couple of new coaches with new ideas might help us out a little. Well they had better pick up their act in '10 or I will be calling for blood !!


Im sure the assistant coaches know this as well.

Main areas for improvement:

Kickouts
F50 structure

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:29 am 
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jt wrote:
amers wrote:
Quite disapointed with this news, was really hoping for some fresh 'blood'. I thought some of the coaching last year left a lot to be desired and that a couple of new coaches with new ideas might help us out a little. Well they had better pick up their act in '10 or I will be calling for blood !!


Im sure the assistant coaches know this as well.

Main areas for improvement:

Kickouts
F50 structure

I thought our coaches were pretty slow on the uptake on these issues this season just gone, they had better find some answers b4 the new season starts. They haven't inspired me with any confidence so far.

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:39 am 
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my two cents wrote:
Cheers Freddy !

Very disappointing outcome.

Freddy - Do you know if we made efforts to get onboard new coaches or were content with the present lot ?


Hi MTC,

As far as I know there was no attempt to bring anybody new on board. My take on this, and this is only my opinion, is that a few will have one more year to prove themselves. Sometimes supporter expectations exceed those at the club by a fair degree. Although, in the eyes of the supporters, there was diappointment in only playing one final, overall there was some significant gains this year. We still have many areas in which we must improve, let's give the club a chance to prove itself next year. If we don't improve further then I'm sure there will be some significant change.

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
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Although, in the eyes of the supporters, there was diappointment in only playing one final, overall there was some significant gains this year. We still have many areas in which we must improve, let's give the club a chance to prove itself next year.


The coaches had all preseason to work on simple kickout scenarios and an effective multi-pronged forward structure.

Most supporters could see we failed in those particular areas of play and perhaps in some other areas.

This is the elite level of football where failure in basic areas of coaching shouldn't be tolerated.

Are we wasting valuable time persisting with incompetent coaching personnel??

We were never going to win the flag last year so ladder position was basically irrelevant.

What was/is relevant is the style of footy we play and what it produces.

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:24 pm 
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Although, in the eyes of the supporters, there was diappointment in only playing one final, overall there was some significant gains this year. We still have many areas in which we must improve, let's give the club a chance to prove itself next year.


The coaches had all preseason to work on simple kickout scenarios and an effective multi-pronged forward structure.

Most supporters could see we failed in those particular areas of play and perhaps in some other areas.

This is the elite level of football where failure in basic areas of coaching shouldn't be tolerated.

Are we wasting valuable time persisting with incompetent coaching personnel??

We were never going to win the flag last year so ladder position was basically irrelevant.

What was/is relevant is the style of footy we play and what it produces.


There are varied opinions on what should happen with the coaching panel. Montgomery has been there for two years. One year as forward coach and one as backline. Lappin one year as forward. Riley as Ratts right hand man. I personally wouldnt give Lappin the flick after one year in a job that many have tried and many have failed, that being trying to get a multipronged forward line with fev in it. I would like to see Lappin have a year with a blank canvas. 2010 is it. Riley looks like he has a good working relationship with Ratts so i am happy to see that continue. Montgomery to me would be the one to move on but i dont know much about his imput. I assume it is what they want if he is not moved on.

The kick out thing i agree needs to be sorted out. Its not the easiest game. Watch the grand final last season and you could see both teams really struggling with it. I thought ours improved as the season went on but plenty of room for more improvement. Binging Capuano on sound like a smart move. His coaching brought out loads of improvement in out rucks. He surely has what it takes to be a full time assistant.

I am a big fan of holding a team together (unless impossible like Fev) and working as one to achieve the same goal so i think a bit of a solid coaching panel that doesnt chop and change too much suits me.

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:21 pm 
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If we persist with a coaching panel that comprises one or more under performers for the sake of 'solidarity' we'll end up like a Melbourne or Collingwood with 1 flag in 50 years...

We are Carlton ...built on a tradition of ruthlessness in getting the results.

What happened to RPs mantra of 'get the best'?????

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:25 pm 
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It's been pretty difficult to implement a multi-pronged forward line when we've had one player screaming for the ball every

time it was in our forward 50.

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:27 pm 
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Warby wrote:
It's been pretty difficult to implement a multi-pronged forward line when we've had one player screaming for the ball every time it was in our forward 50.


so why didn't THEY trade him last year ..or the year before ...or the year before that ...TO FIX THE PROBLEM!!!???

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:44 pm 
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budzy wrote:
Warby wrote:
It's been pretty difficult to implement a multi-pronged forward line when we've had one player screaming for the ball every time it was in our forward 50.


so why didn't THEY trade him last year ..or the year before ...or the year before that ...TO FIX THE PROBLEM!!!???


The burning question that'll never be answered....anyway....that's history; and we now have a chance to make a fresh start.

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:42 pm 
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budzy wrote:
If we persist with a coaching panel that comprises one or more under performers for the sake of 'solidarity' we'll end up like a Melbourne or Collingwood with 1 flag in 50 years...

We are Carlton ...built on a tradition of ruthlessness in getting the results.

What happened to RPs mantra of 'get the best'?????


Probably had another mantra about unity but nobody quotes it.

Which ones are under performing? Maybe some are but i cant tell from the outside.

Like i said, there are varied opinions on this. I believe chopping and changing because our kickouts are not as good as the five clubs above us at this stage is not the way to go.


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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:37 pm 
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Opinions aren't varied about our lack of forward structure, poor kick out strategy and chip chip-static-go-nowhere style of play. They've clearly been a constant and obvious theme of discontent amongst members/supporters.

The club can simply be content to not be a bottom of the ladder club and jostle around with mid table clubs, or, we can honestly identify shortcomings and swiftly act in the interests of being the best.

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