cant believe people still naming 206. . He's still playing 70% gametime in VFL which have shorter quarters! He's not ready yet. . You'll all see him in the next NAB cup game unless in the event of several injuries.

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Agree Teen Spirit. The same applies for Pfeiffer & AB. Nowhere near AFL ready this year.

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How has Warnock gone in the ressies in this regard? Does he mark most kickouts? (serious question - I have no idea)

Huge risk to bring in an underdone player for finals. Hopefully Hampson fit to return.

I like it, Kreuzer forward, to add marking options, and assisting Fev, in forward 50. We've got to bite the bullet and see what Warnock's made of before the finals. He played 3 games in the 2's and played OK on Sunday, he's 206 cm, bring him in, it could make a big difference if he wins the hitouts and we get first use to our midfielders. (Remember, we didn't do too well with clearances with Melbourne, so how are we going to go against Adelaide?) We won't win a final with ruck deficiencies, IMO.

No-ones mentioned Chris Johnson as a credible replacement. Played very good game for Ants Sunday, and is better than average defender, with good disposal, esp by foot?

I love Ando's attack on the ball and his courage, and his ability to run it out of defence. But I don't think he's a player that likes to "tag" or "run with" an opposition player. He's a bit too loose for my liking ATM, (look what Robbo did on him) and a risk going into a final series.

Army, if fit to come in to replace Ando.

I like Yarran, he's an X-factor, could be another Cyril Rioli type, we'll never know if we don't play him.

Other considerations... Grigg or Bentick to replace Hadley (Bentick has more inside grunt than Grigg..Do we need someone like this to get it out of the stoppages?


Out .., Cloke, Hadley, Ando, Wiggins.

In.. Warnock/Sauce or Hammer, (if fit), Yarran, Armfield, Bentick/Johnson or Grigg.

With the three club suspensions and Hadley out we are going to make 4 changes minimum one week out from the finals. Hope Hammer is fit, yarran would have to come in now you would imagine, Army in, and some one else.

I still think we will win

If Hammer is still out, it will be Sauce.

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I'd bring in CJ .... no the other CJ!
As an option across the HB line or play further up the ground on the wing

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Well that opens the door for changes...

Out: Betts, Cloke, Garlett (all idiots), Hadley (arm), Anderson

In: Armfield, Austin, Hampson/Warnock/Jacobs, Yarran, Browne/Johnson

I'm confident that Warnock is now fit enough, but if Hampson is good to go he would be my preference. Failing both of those, Jacobs will do fine. Perfect timing from Cloke and allays my fears about him surviving the chop.

Armfield, Austin & Yarran pick themselves, really.

Toss up between Browne and Johnson; two blokes who are midfielders with a solid defensive mind-set and relish the opportunity to attack, but if we're going to line Johnson up in defence, I'd rather have Browne because I know they won't use him there.

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With the three idiots being suspended I doubt Anderson will be dropped, four changes is more than enough one week out of finals.

The decision should help us not hinder us....

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I agree completely. It will help over the next month and for the next 10 years.

Can't wait for this weekend and the finals, as a younger Carlton fan I have experienced a different childhood to most of the older posters here, I went to high school when we couldn't buy a win, when our players were unprofessional and the running of the club was a joke. I can't remember our last final (I was in QLD at that time) but I am happy with the way the club is going. We are winning often, competitive almost always and the club is becoming a truly professional place... Great to see.

Blues to win by 3 goals and take the winning form into the first week of the finals.

I would bring in another forward option, Yarran is the obvious one, plus another. The Crows have such a good defence and it will be even harder for Fev now with no Betts and Garlett.

Posted this in the "3 stooges dropped" thread, IMO all 3 would have been talked about at the selection table anyway IMO. I would have been happy for Betts to have been rested last week, he looks tired and in need of a rest. Garlett had a GREAT game, and it's a shame he has done this SOOO close to the finals as it will be a challenge for him to get back into the side for the following week, but he will learn and it gives Yarran a go in the Seniors. Cloke was LUCKY to be retained against the Demons, and would have been on the chopping block this week anyway. So, IMO, it's no MAJOR loss to the side for all 3 to sit out (Betts' and Garlett's forward line pressure will be missed, but it will be a challenge for the boys who come in to take over where they left off)

Changes

In/Out

Grigg/Hadley
Yarran/Garlett
Hampson (or Jacob's if Hampson doesn't come up)/Cloke
Armfield/Betts

I would prob move Anderson up forward to add some defensive pressure, and move Armfield down back to play as the small defender.


Alternatively Anderson could also make way for Austin, to help with height down back, but 5 changes in 1 week are a big too many IMO considering one of the strengths of the side of late has been the stable line up.

We need the height in defence, and we need to accommodate another attacking option. If you want to look at it more directly:

Armfield for Anderson
Another ruckman for Cloke
Austin for Hadley
Yarran for Betts
Browne/Johnson for Garlett

When you see it that way, we're actually injecting a more experienced player in for Anderson. If we don't bring in a guy like Johnson or Browne, we're going in with an overly defensive squad.

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The Crows in all likely hood will/could make up to 4 changes too.

Shirley out, and possible ins could be Griffin, Burton, Dangerfield & Petrenko...

Both sides will have changes.

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Synbad is making sense...

dropping those three guys doesn't hurt us at all. For a start, we are better off with either Hammer or Jacobs (or Warnock) in the team than Cloke. And while Garlett looked good against Melbourne, he's been shown up against some of the better sides (not to say he won't be a good player by the way... he's just a work in progress). We'd miss Eddie at his best, but he hasn't been there for a while.

So presuming we bring in Hammer, Armfield, and Yarran with another player in to replace Haddles, then I don't see where we've gone backwards.

Armfield will come straight back in if fit he has been good

Wouldn't be surprised if the 3 rucks were not ok to go that they would play big Irish there and bring in Austin or Hartlett to play defence

Grigg would have to come in you would think

and Ratts favorite Johnson would most likely be the other played on the wing and stevens or scotland moved into the centre


Play Judd and walker in the forward fifty as the chances are Judd will cop the heavy tag and be ineffective as an onballer so let he create a headache up forward

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Why bring in Warnock / Hampson for Cloke when either will be 100%?

Prior to injury Jacobs looked okay for mine and surely must get the nod this week

I'll make a case for AB even though he is not a 'fashionable' inclusion.

AB managed 29 possessions on Sunday whilst heavily tagged. He earned every disposal. No cheap kicks. His opponent even followed him on and off the bench. At that level at least, the opposition rate him.

Grigg on the other hand and likewise Johnson, were not tagged.

Going into a cut throat week or two, I think we need a hard nut who can keep his head and handle the pressure. I have serious doubts that either Johnson or Grigg can and I don't think we can afford that against a well drilled unit like Adelaide.