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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:58 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
BUT, the question is "WHY is this so?"

The simplest reason is that Ratts is not up to it as a senior coach: either his game plan is no good or he is not good enough at communicating/teaching it.
BUT, Ratts' comments after the game seemed to highlight many of the same points above, indicating that he is not happy with the way we are going about it either. So, perhaps the players are not yet comfortable with the game plan which also explains why we look so tentative, still trying to think our way through each situation rather than it already being natural.
St Kilda played like this for the first season and a half under Lyon.


So.......Ratts isn't up to it because the team under him is playing like St Kilda did under Lyon for the first 18 months of his tenure....Yet look at the way they're going now.

:eek: :screwy:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:15 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
BUT, the question is "WHY is this so?"

The simplest reason is that Ratts is not up to it as a senior coach: either his game plan is no good or he is not good enough at communicating/teaching it.
BUT, Ratts' comments after the game seemed to highlight many of the same points above, indicating that he is not happy with the way we are going about it either. So, perhaps the players are not yet comfortable with the game plan which also explains why we look so tentative, still trying to think our way through each situation rather than it already being natural.
St Kilda played like this for the first season and a half under Lyon.


So.......Ratts isn't up to it because the team under him is playing like St Kilda did under Lyon for the first 18 months of his tenure....Yet look at the way they're going now.

:eek: :screwy:



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:39 am 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
BUT, the question is "WHY is this so?"

The simplest reason is that Ratts is not up to it as a senior coach: either his game plan is no good or he is not good enough at communicating/teaching it.
BUT, Ratts' comments after the game seemed to highlight many of the same points above, indicating that he is not happy with the way we are going about it either. So, perhaps the players are not yet comfortable with the game plan which also explains why we look so tentative, still trying to think our way through each situation rather than it already being natural.
St Kilda played like this for the first season and a half under Lyon.


So.......Ratts isn't up to it because the team under him is playing like St Kilda did under Lyon for the first 18 months of his tenure....Yet look at the way they're going now.

:eek: :screwy:


KK I do not think 17th was implying this was his belief - simply the 'easiest'.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:50 am 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
BUT, the question is "WHY is this so?"

The simplest reason is that Ratts is not up to it as a senior coach: either his game plan is no good or he is not good enough at communicating/teaching it.
BUT, Ratts' comments after the game seemed to highlight many of the same points above, indicating that he is not happy with the way we are going about it either. So, perhaps the players are not yet comfortable with the game plan which also explains why we look so tentative, still trying to think our way through each situation rather than it already being natural.
St Kilda played like this for the first season and a half under Lyon.


So.......Ratts isn't up to it because the team under him is playing like St Kilda did under Lyon for the first 18 months of his tenure....Yet look at the way they're going now.

:eek: :screwy:



No not at all.

He isnt up to it and wont be up to it...

StKilda did have a gameplan last year. They finished 4th and their gameplan was obvious.

Lyon has a long long apprentiship under his belt.
He was here under Brittain.. im pretty sure he had a year under Pagan.. and then had a few under Roos.

Ratts?

Nothing....

Mates with the people in power.

No real qualifications...

Got the job after coaching Norwood in the eastern suburban league second division wasn tit??

Does Ratts have a gameplan??

Yeah but its terrible and sub AFL standard.

Does Ratts get the most out of our players??

No he doesnt.. not too many have come along.

Does Ratts get the most out of the team??

Nope... again... were playing very medicre footy.. and we cant do many of the basics.

Ratts is a massive worry....

He should have gone out and got himself a proper education before getting a job.

Over his head.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:34 am 
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One thing I'd like would be for Ratts to stop asking rhetorical questions and pluralising players:
Will Jamo play? I am not sure
Will TBird be fit? I hope so
Can we handle the Ablett's and the Johnsons? (For god's sake Ratt's dealing with one Ablett is enough, surely).
Do we miss the Waite's and The Warnock's?

etc
etc
etc. He should be banned from uttering any sentence with a question mark on it. It makes him sound unsure and lacking in confidence - Carlton media manager - get to it!
Or should that be "Should the Carlton media manager give me advise? That's an interesting one".

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:43 am 
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:clap: :lol:

Reading when he talks like that does make you tear your hair out a bit, but it's funny to listen to at the same time.

Each coach has their own little idiosycrancy, so not too worried about Ratts. I would rathers questions and pluralism than Malthouses aggression.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:54 am 
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As far as I'm concerned Ratts has been fine in his dealings with the media. He has to do it and he does. He comes across as being personable and approachable. What he says and does behind closed doors is far more important than anything he says in the media.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:06 am 
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gerry atric wrote:
One thing I'd like would be for Ratts to stop asking rhetorical questions and pluralising players:
Will Jamo play? I am not sure
Will TBird be fit? I hope so
Can we handle the Ablett's and the Johnsons? (For god's sake Ratt's dealing with one Ablett is enough, surely).
Do we miss the Waite's and The Warnock's?

etc
etc
etc. He should be banned from uttering any sentence with a question mark on it. It makes him sound unsure and lacking in confidence - Carlton media manager - get to it!
Or should that be "Should the Carlton media manager give me advise? That's an interesting one".

Am I guilty of micro criticism? Possibly



Yet you probably wanted Laidley as director of coaching, who begins every response with the patronising and redundant "look" :screwy: :razz:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:16 am 
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does he have a cunning and devious gameplan????


One which cannot fail...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:20 am 
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gilly wrote:
Yet you probably wanted Laidley as director of coaching, who begins every response with the patronising and redundant "look"


Sorry Gilly can't recall ever having mentioned Laidley in a post about anything ever, and I am not sure if the coaching selection and assessment process involves comparing Ratts, Laidley and nothing. I want the best coach and best coaching panel. To get that you need the best recruitment and assessment process for the coach and then for all the assistants. Not sure where Laidley fits in at all. I'd hope Ratts is better than an ordinary ex North coach who is now out of a job, if not then we really have got the process wrong.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:22 am 
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I clearly need to brush up on my public speaking gags :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:30 am 
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gerry atric wrote:
One thing I'd like would be for Ratts to stop asking rhetorical questions and pluralising players:
Will Jamo play? I am not sure
Will TBird be fit? I hope so
Can we handle the Ablett's and the Johnsons? (For god's sake Ratt's dealing with one Ablett is enough, surely).
Do we miss the Waite's and The Warnock's?

etc
etc
etc. He should be banned from uttering any sentence with a question mark on it. It makes him sound unsure and lacking in confidence - Carlton media manager - get to it!
Or should that be "Should the Carlton media manager give me advise? That's an interesting one".

Am I guilty of micro criticism? Possibly


Well, that opens up a whole new can of worms: Coutts isn't the man IMO

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:31 am 
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DLC wrote:
As far as I'm concerned Ratts has been fine in his dealings with the media. He has to do it and he does. He comes across as being personable and approachable. What he says and does behind closed doors is far more important than anything he says in the media.


Bingo.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:34 am 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
One thing I'd like would be for Ratts to stop asking rhetorical questions and pluralising players:
Will Jamo play? I am not sure
Will TBird be fit? I hope so
Can we handle the Ablett's and the Johnsons? (For god's sake Ratt's dealing with one Ablett is enough, surely).
Do we miss the Waite's and The Warnock's?

etc
etc
etc. He should be banned from uttering any sentence with a question mark on it. It makes him sound unsure and lacking in confidence - Carlton media manager - get to it!
Or should that be "Should the Carlton media manager give me advise? That's an interesting one".

Am I guilty of micro criticism? Possibly


Well, that opens up a whole new can of worms: Coutts isn't the man IMO
Get Murray Hewitt.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:35 am 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
DLC wrote:
As far as I'm concerned Ratts has been fine in his dealings with the media. He has to do it and he does. He comes across as being personable and approachable. What he says and does behind closed doors is far more important than anything he says in the media.


Bingo.



I tend to agree, I'm happy for him to be bland when talking to the media.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:48 am 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
One thing I'd like would be for Ratts to stop asking rhetorical questions and pluralising players:
Will Jamo play? I am not sure
Will TBird be fit? I hope so
Can we handle the Ablett's and the Johnsons? (For god's sake Ratt's dealing with one Ablett is enough, surely).
Do we miss the Waite's and The Warnock's?

etc
etc
etc. He should be banned from uttering any sentence with a question mark on it. It makes him sound unsure and lacking in confidence - Carlton media manager - get to it!
Or should that be "Should the Carlton media manager give me advise? That's an interesting one".

Am I guilty of micro criticism? Possibly


Well, that opens up a whole new can of worms: Coutts isn't the man IMO
Get Murray Hewitt.

Who?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:05 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Get Murray Hewitt.

Who?[/quote]

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:08 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
BUT, the question is "WHY is this so?"

The simplest reason is that Ratts is not up to it as a senior coach: either his game plan is no good or he is not good enough at communicating/teaching it.
BUT, Ratts' comments after the game seemed to highlight many of the same points above, indicating that he is not happy with the way we are going about it either. So, perhaps the players are not yet comfortable with the game plan which also explains why we look so tentative, still trying to think our way through each situation rather than it already being natural.
St Kilda played like this for the first season and a half under Lyon.


So.......Ratts isn't up to it because the team under him is playing like St Kilda did under Lyon for the first 18 months of his tenure....Yet look at the way they're going now.

:eek: :screwy:



No not at all.

He isnt up to it and wont be up to it...

StKilda did have a gameplan last year. They finished 4th and their gameplan was obvious.

Lyon has a long long apprentiship under his belt.
He was here under Brittain.. im pretty sure he had a year under Pagan.. and then had a few under Roos.

Ratts?

Nothing....

Mates with the people in power.

No real qualifications...

Got the job after coaching Norwood in the eastern suburban league second division wasn tit??

Does Ratts have a gameplan??

Yeah but its terrible and sub AFL standard.

Does Ratts get the most out of our players??

No he doesnt.. not too many have come along.

Does Ratts get the most out of the team??

Nope... again... were playing very medicre footy.. and we cant do many of the basics.

Ratts is a massive worry....

He should have gone out and got himself a proper education before getting a job.

Over his head.


Then let's try Clarkson. Very similar. Lyon, like Clarkson, struggled with theie game plan. Hard to tell if they had one but they did and a couple of years later it sure worked.

Think we've done well after using 37 players this year. Not only that Warnock and Bentick haven't played a game and Walker just one. Means Edwards and a few draftees are the only one's not to have played. Haven't done too bad to be 10-8 and 7th with our depth stretched that far.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:13 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
BUT, the question is "WHY is this so?"

The simplest reason is that Ratts is not up to it as a senior coach: either his game plan is no good or he is not good enough at communicating/teaching it.
BUT, Ratts' comments after the game seemed to highlight many of the same points above, indicating that he is not happy with the way we are going about it either. So, perhaps the players are not yet comfortable with the game plan which also explains why we look so tentative, still trying to think our way through each situation rather than it already being natural.
St Kilda played like this for the first season and a half under Lyon.


So.......Ratts isn't up to it because the team under him is playing like St Kilda did under Lyon for the first 18 months of his tenure....Yet look at the way they're going now.

:eek: :screwy:



No not at all.

He isnt up to it and wont be up to it...

StKilda did have a gameplan last year. They finished 4th and their gameplan was obvious.

Lyon has a long long apprentiship under his belt.
He was here under Brittain.. im pretty sure he had a year under Pagan.. and then had a few under Roos.

Ratts?

Nothing....


So Synbad you know so much about Ratts and his experience?
I beleive he was an assistant at Melbourne and at Carlton?
Yes? :thumbsup:

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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
kezza wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Get Murray Hewitt.

Who?


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