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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:03 pm 
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Whatever happens at the end of the year - I would like to see a review of the forward line coach. Carlton is the third or fourth highest scoring team, but the reliance on Fevola is annoying. To have four goals from 56 inside 50's on the weekend is beyond poor.


Matty Lappin - great servant of the club - but I think we should look at other options for a forward line coach.


Gibbs- good goal kicker - can't he be rotated more on the hff? or is he always a defensive midfielder?

Simpson - how often does he spend forward of centre?


It would be good to look at this in detail.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:05 pm 
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That will all evaporate if we dont move forwards...

Wont it Syd???

They thought we were coming.....

seven or eight years in the wilderness.....

... you know what i hear alot since the weekend???

"Were not that good... our players cant kick......"

Things only go up when theyre exciting Syd.... they have lost their gloss in the last couple of months... and especially since the death of the late PResident..

We have players fat...
we have oplayers out on the piss...
the gameplan hasnt come together...
we have supporters moaning ... (me too)

when everyone is buying this stuff... and buying heaps of it... with their hard earnt....

.... what do you think happens next Syd???













they want results and they will ask the questions...

Cos till now its all been marketing and no substance ....

Our supporters are loyal... but theyre dmanding!!!

Wont put up with unprofessional substandard bullsjhit and the red herrings....


Got that old Carlton swagger back have you???


What do you think???

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??????

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:28 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
Synbad wrote:
I wouldnt mind Sticks president if he kept his distance from footy matters...

and just walked around shook hand with babies and kissed old bags....

but he doesnt...

he makes dumb decisions that usually arent his own....

he sits in coaches boxes....

he just does everything a president shouldnt.....

he should be more like the queen of england ...... he can learn simething from that old dear....

noone knows if shes intelligent or not..noone even cares.... noone blames her for wars against iraq... shes just there.....shes the queen..... the do her hair and get her into some old ladies designer dress.. she puts on her crown and her stones.. and she gets wheeled around and waves at the crowd.. they wheel her back in ... and then wheel her out again next time....
when you think of the queen you think of this old dear smiling and waving and thats it....

she doesnt get involved......

President Synbad:
I'm sick of you going on and on and on. Your like a nagging wife out of control, being negative about anything anyone says positive in this forum. I thought we were on bottom of the ladder if you read your posts.

Lets paint this scenario:
Kernahan steps down tomorrow
Ratts quits as Carlton Coach tomorrow.

We appoint President Synbad.

Now what would you do?
Who would you like to appoint as coach? Who would you go after? (And dont say the best coach out there, name names).
What would you change at the club if you had your way?

How can President Synbad make the club even better in 2010.



if you had any brains youd be sick of your side under [erforming....


or being unable to kick out......









youre just taking out your real frustration on me....


Its ok, you summed it up then

You can't make your own decision or come up with your own ideas, you can only criticise

Continue on with your 84 pages of rant, l thought you could propose a solution rather then just negatives


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:42 pm 
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No you didnt think that all....

youre frustrating at the lack of focus and advancement and youre lashing out at me......

Im not criticising the club... im pointing things out on individuals around the club...

I have said it before... the club is but a drone... it cant do anything without the people that drive it....

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:47 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
No you didnt think that all....

youre frustrating at the lack of focus and advancement and youre lashing out at me......

Im not criticising the club... im pointing things out on individuals around the club...

I have said it before... the club is but a drone... it cant do anything without the people that drive it....


I agree with most of the things you say, but if you know all the faults, whats the solutions


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:51 pm 
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livolover wrote:
they say true leadership is ...seeing into the future and taking action today to change the course of history !

I've got news for everyone....when I look into the future, ratts isn't going to be holding up any AFL premiership cup......

Is our club's leadership strong and bold enough to make decisions today to change the course of our future ?

DOUBT IT !


POW hand it to him now


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:56 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
livolover wrote:
they say true leadership is ...seeing into the future and taking action today to change the course of history !

I've got news for everyone....when I look into the future, ratts isn't going to be holding up any AFL premiership cup......

Is our club's leadership strong and bold enough to make decisions today to change the course of our future ?

DOUBT IT !


POW hand it to him now


Would anyone think Ross Lyon would be 17-0 right now? :)


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:03 pm 
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I think the point to this somewhat circular argument is that it's impossible to just pluck a name out of the hat as your favourite prospective coach. The whole idea is to put the same rigor into appointing a candidate as a top corporate would their CEO. From the outside, it's pretty obvious that Carlton didn't do that.

There's a reason why Human Resources is a valued skill: there's an art to sourcing, interviewing, and matching people with positions and cultures.

So, who on the Carlton board and/or executive possesses those skills? Well, one of our board members (I believe) is in recruitment. Was he heading up the process that eventually found Ratts the most suitable candidate? Or was Ratts just in the right place at the right time?

Given the shit the club's been through, we obviously can't afford to get this wrong. So it's good that Ratts has a target on his back. There's no room for sentiment, and if he's not able to demonstrate he's up to the task, he needs to be replaced sooner rather than later.

So, two issues:

1. Is Ratts the right person for the job? Answer: I don't think any of us know for sure yet.

2. Did Carlton act in the most professional manner when deciding upon who to appoint? Personally, I don't think they did. I get the feeling the club was so wounded after the Pagan saga, Ratts was as much an appointment based on emotion than rationality.

As with everything, time will tell. If we're as patient as Geelong was with Thompson, perhaps we'll be rewarded. But if St Kilda got ride of that idiot GT two years earlier, maybe they'd be in line for their 3rd Premiership this year, and not their second.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:03 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
Synbad wrote:
No you didnt think that all....

youre frustrating at the lack of focus and advancement and youre lashing out at me......

Im not criticising the club... im pointing things out on individuals around the club...

I have said it before... the club is but a drone... it cant do anything without the people that drive it....


I agree with most of the things you say, but if you know all the faults, whats the solutions

Where to start?????

One thing is for sure... the broom would come out...(First place would be to break up the old boys club....)

And then id be looking at the best people for the club money can buy..........

Im pretty sure there would be some resistance by some... but as things start to look more professional and fall more into line with a modern age club... people will become accepting.
Some people hate change....... but for success they will accept it.. :thumbsup:

One thing i wouldnt do.. is allow the current status quo .... its a disease.....its a cancer...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:06 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
One thing is for sure... the broom would come out...(First place would be to break up the old boys club....)

And then id be looking at the best people for the club money can buy..........

Im pretty sure there would be some resistance by some... but as things start to look more professional and fall more into line with a modern age club... people will become accepting.
Some people hate change....... but for success they will accept it.. :thumbsup:

One thing i wouldnt do.. is allow the current status quo .... its a disease.....its a cancer...


Nice motherhood statement, Synbad. All generalities, which no-one in their right minds would disagree with.

Specifics!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:10 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
I think the point to this somewhat circular argument is that it's impossible to just pluck a name out of the hat as your favourite prospective coach. The whole idea is to put the same rigor into appointing a candidate as a top corporate would their CEO. From the outside, it's pretty obvious that Carlton didn't do that.

There's a reason why Human Resources is a valued skill: there's an art to sourcing, interviewing, and matching people with positions and cultures.

So, who on the Carlton board and/or executive possesses those skills? Well, one of our board members (I believe) is in recruitment. Was he heading up the process that eventually found Ratts the most suitable candidate? Or was Ratts just in the right place at the right time?

Given the shit the club's been through, we obviously can't afford to get this wrong. So it's good that Ratts has a target on his back. There's no room for sentiment, and if he's not able to demonstrate he's up to the task, he needs to be replaced sooner rather than later.

So, two issues:

1. Is Ratts the right person for the job? Answer: I don't think any of us know for sure yet.

2. Did Carlton act in the most professional manner when deciding upon who to appoint? Personally, I don't think they did. I get the feeling the club was so wounded after the Pagan saga, Ratts was as much an appointment based on emotion than rationality.

As with everything, time will tell. If we're as patient as Geelong was with Thompson, perhaps we'll be rewarded. But if St Kilda got ride of that idiot GT two years earlier, maybe they'd be in line for their 3rd Premiership this year, and not their second.



Pretty much sums it up mate... except that there is noone that will make the judgement or the call..... as things stand..

Also... Ratts is not the only boys club mentality problem...

What you find in situations like this is alot of backslapping and pissing in each othere pockets.. and where were at.. this is the last place you want complacency cos we havent done anything.... we still have a shitload of stuff to get right.. and even in a shithouse season where clubs are tanking or struggling to put their hands up and claim any kind of success... we look underdone and exposed.. and out of our depth...

but you can be sure clubs like West coast will come back over the next year or two... and melb with all their talent will also have the cattle.. what they do with their problems will be up to them... but if were not careful .. we will be trampled over in the stampede to success...we still have some space at the moment...but were losing time.

for every day you dont make it happen... its another day youll never ever get back ... thats how life has us lined up..

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:14 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Synbad wrote:
One thing is for sure... the broom would come out...(First place would be to break up the old boys club....)

And then id be looking at the best people for the club money can buy..........

Im pretty sure there would be some resistance by some... but as things start to look more professional and fall more into line with a modern age club... people will become accepting.
Some people hate change....... but for success they will accept it.. :thumbsup:

One thing i wouldnt do.. is allow the current status quo .... its a disease.....its a cancer...


Nice motherhood statement, Synbad. All generalities, which no-one in their right minds would disagree with.

Specifics!!



well if you dont disagree with them what are you doing disagreeing with them??? :thumbsup:

i think its rather silly for you guys to believe im going to work out the future comeback of this footy club...

surely its enough to know were going about it the wrong way.. and there are people that can make the changes if called upon...

im just stating the obvious.

some of you are resisting the obvious....

but once the obvious is the obvious.... its obvious what needs to be done....

you obviously find the best people to bring in the best plans.. and blue prints into the future... obviously...

BUT... every major work has always worked like this..

this is nothing new......

you always get the best people to do the best job....

its obvious!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:18 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
well if you dont disagree with them what are you doing disagreeing with them??? :thumbsup:

i think its rather silly for you guys to believe im going to work out the future comeback of this footy club...

surely its enough to know were going about it the wrong way.. and there are people that can make the changes if called upon...

im just stating the obvious.

some of you are resisting the obvious....

but once the obvious is the obvious.... its obvious what needs to be done....

you obviously find the best people to bring in the best plans.. and blue prints into the future... obviously...

BUT... every major work has always worked like this..

this is nothing new......

you always get the best people to do the best job....

its obvious!!!


Post of the year!

:lol: :lol: :clap: :clap:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:20 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:43 pm 
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Richard Pratt didn't follow his own advice, we got the best CEO, we got the best Football Manager, but we didn't get the best coach.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:48 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
Richard Pratt didn't follow his own advice, we got the best CEO, we got the best Football Manager, but we didn't get the best coach.


Sticks most likely advised Richard that Ratts was the best coach, which then would've satisfied Richards 'own advice'.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:00 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
Richard Pratt didn't follow his own advice, we got the best CEO, we got the best Football Manager, but we didn't get the best coach.


I've just assumed Pratt had a blind spot re- Sticks. As well as being a great business leader, he was also a Carlton man, a Carlton fan, who loved the blokey world of AFL footy and liked being around these heroes. He let Sticks have his ear, let him look after the footy stuff. It was a mistake.

Pratt's second mistake was not finding a successor. I mentioned my concern at the time of Pratt's passing - a power vacuum left by a strong leader is dangerous. The problem is, Sticks now seems to think he's the right man, that's inevitably what happens when a once humble man is given great power - he starts believing that he's the man for the job, and it would be a disaster if he were to leave. After all, everyone who wants to influence him is telling him how great he is.

The board needs to grow some balls and send someone to set Sticks straight: step down as president at end of the year and leave the board the following year at latest - he's been there 13 years. Time to move on and bring in new blood.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:05 pm 
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whens the next agm / election ?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:11 pm 
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Sticks, Ratten, Bradley, Williams, Lappin, Gleeson-- great Carlton people, but not the best all round football people.
As Ive said many times, finishing 7th is only going to put some considerable wallpaper over very large cracks.
We need to somehow jump from 7th- challenging for a flag, and soon. And we need the best people to assist us in this quest.
Swanny has been fantastic, but he needs to be given authority to make the tough calls- or we'll never fully realize our potential.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:25 pm 
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Would be interested in some of the board members who frequent this site. They used to come on here from time to time and now they don't.

It is worrying now that Pratt is no longer around the club, as I dont have any faith in whats going on. Who is going to make the right call on Ratten, not his buddy Sticks or Gleeson. Who has the balls to stick up to Sticks ?

Here I was getting excited when Pagan was flicked and on Friday I had to watch a flooding quest again.

I don't know anymore. Are we running a multi million dollar corp as its seems like a little suburban buddy run team.

We never even hear from Sticks. Unlike McChins at Colllngwood who sticks his head everywhere.

Someone on this site made a comment (think it was Synbad) about the fact that Ratten or Sticks do not come out and complain about Fevs treatement by the umps and then copping a fine. I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Cmon Sticks or Ratten have the balls to put the umps on notice on how Fev is treated by the umps.

I went to training a few weeks ago and all I saw was Lappin, Teague and the players mucking around. I went away thinking that training was not taken very seriously. No-one worked hard, all they did was play games. Everyone smiling and playing around.

Not exactly what I want to see especially with our kicking skills on the weekend

Things need to get tougher, and tough decisions need to be made. Someone has to stand up and make them. Who is it going to be ?


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