Were splitting hairs...

Most of those guys have not shown anything to suggest theyre the best people for the job,...

Unless we dont want the best people for the job......

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Pratt stood down in the middle of last year Sticks has been at the helm since then

If your going to kick the shit out of his mistakes - He didn't appoint Ratten
Then you have to give praise at the clubs success

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I sometimes think that perhaps we are a little too 'Carlton' focused in our coaching staff and MC.

Ratten, Lappin, Teauge, Williams & Braddles as part timers................ it's all a bit much.


Ratten will coach next year after what can only be described as a so-so mediocre season, but if we don't win 13+ games next year i'd say he might be fighting for his job.

Though just to point out that Ross Lyon was in a similar position.........Didn't really set the world on fire when he came to StKilda, now, they are favourites for the flag! StKilda???

So i'm more than happy to give Ratts next year to prove himself as well, but he'd have to improve a hell of a lot cause i really think we should have done a lot better this year.


Just to put it out there too.................. I wouldn't mind taking a look at Hird for a coaching role.

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See Synners you keep pointing the finger at Sticks and Ratten saying they are not doing the job

Sticks didn't appoint Ratten -Swan and Pratt did - go on have ago at them I dare you to
Sticks didn't appoint himself - Pratt did - so blame Pratt - go on

You cannot realistically expect Sticks to sack Ratten when the club is in the middle of it's most successful season in 8 years

so drop your harping and sit back and enjoy the ride

It is getting better

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I suppose Rawlings is a better coach than Knights now.....

Damn should have got Rawlings

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What splitting of hairs.

You are basing their lack of progress on your time line and yours alone.

Experienced coaches ala Pagan are not always the way to go.

Voss IMHO is the prototype of what a coach should be. He looks good by the players he has inherited and the coaching panel that hasn't changed much since Lethal left.

Buckley can talk until the cows come home, but until he coaches away from a microphone [or a keyboard] he could also be a nuff nuff.

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Let me tell you what will happen if we sign Buckley (or anyone else for that matter). It will go something like this...
Start of 2010 Season Carlton signs buckley as coach.
Round 14 (or sooner) 2010. New thread appears on talkingcarlton "Its becoming very clear that Bucks is not the man IMO"
And the cycle repeats itself until we sign someone who doesn't lose us a game.

What you bunch don't seem to understand is that nothing happens overnight. Look at Ross Lyon how long did it take him to get the consistency he has now.

bananas!

Swann wouldnt have chosen Ratten for the job if he was at Collingwood looking for a Collingwood job.

Pratt???What would Pratt know about coaches???


Brown Williams Sticks made the appointment... and it happened before Pratt was president...

What youre saying doesnt make sense...




Think about Swann.... would he choose Ratts if he was CEO at any other club????

On what basis???

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Mate, we need to just need to accept that our players are lazy and crumble under pressure. Those kicks at goal and simple laziness on Friday night is the players themselves. Everytime they are given a big challenge they fail.

But Rattens decisions on Friday left me scratching my head. Harlett IN and in the ruck, Maxwell loose man in defence. Our forwardline , not in the forwardline. Our defensive flooding, did not stop them getting goals at all.

We recruit baby players who need to be spoonfed. How about putting some blame on them. What about our match committee, get Robinson, Garlett back in the team to create some forwardline pressure. Everytime something goes wrong these guys get dropped for nothing.

No we recruit from the same pool of players as everybody else.... with earlier picks than most.....

What we dont do is have the right people and processes in place to maximise what we do have....

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Pratt was president when Pagan was sacked - Smorgy couldn't sack him remember the AFL wouldn't let him

so therefore Pratt appointed Swan - Swan and Pratt appointed Ratts

Sticks was just one board member in a field of 12 with one vote

Stop making things up Williams And Brown are not even on the Board how did they get a say

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They all fall in line behind sticks coz sticks is the man who has the Pratts' ear..

Politics SB!

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We couldn't score - we had umpteen forward fifty entries and couldn't take a mark
He had tried Hartlett forward - He had tried Austin Forward - Yarren was scared and in effective
Hampson was tried forward and was hit lace out four times and spilled the marks
Fisher was a WOS
So he shifted Krues forward and and Switched Hartlett and Hampson to the full time ruck

He was coaching trying to get things happening because his other forward target had dropped his bundle again . He moved Carrazzo off Didak trying to make things happen - Didak had been quiet he run a muck once Carrazzo was shifted off him . Ratts was trying but unfortunately the game was already lost at the selection table trying to discipline players

And as for Gartlett and Robbo and Yarren being dropped that is just ridiculous speak - He is rotating them 2 to 3 games at a time trying not to expose boys who are not quite ready for the vigors of AFL to much - Collingwood have been doing exactly the same thing with Beams and Dick and Wellingham - and the kid who kick a bag in the under 18 final

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Says who Synbad

Thats really discreditting the 12 other members of the board

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Scott Saunders your post is excellent but dont let reason and analysis of facts get in the way of emotions.

they say true leadership is ...seeing into the future and taking action today to change the course of history !

I've got news for everyone....when I look into the future, ratts isn't going to be holding up any AFL premiership cup......

Is our club's leadership strong and bold enough to make decisions today to change the course of our future ?

DOUBT IT !

Just here to point out that it was about this period in Ross Lyon's term that the Saints really looked like the message from their coach was getting through, winning a huge chunk of the remaining games last year to finish 4th. Alastair Clarkson was similar in his second year, starting the year slowly, signed a contract then finished the year strong.

I'm hoping Ratten, like Lyon and Clarkson of years past, finishes the year strongly. This would include a strong showing against Geelong, a hard faught win against Adelaide and comfortable wins against North, Port and Melbourne. A solid game in the Finals wouldn't be bad.

Maybe MarkH or StephenM could pop in for a visit and set me straight.

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I need 6 numbers for Thursday night's Powerball livo. Can you help me out please?

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..i don't like the idea of a coach that needs to learn on the job, with such a young and impressionable list.. ..but, either way he's had 2 yrs now [taking into account caretaker role], and while i'm not expecting the masterplan, some semblance of a plan would be appropriate i would imagine.. ..fwd structure/set-up a joke, bogus clearance tactics at center-bounces and often around the ground stoppages, russian roulette kick-in strategy.. ..just not good enough.. ..should be playing better with what we have [i believe], not neccessarily higher on the ladder mind you, but playing better..

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