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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:32 am 
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baz_baz wrote:
And a Collingwood and Western Bulldogs and Brisbane and a couple of kicks short of an undefeated side


Sounds good...

should have a gameplan...

should know how to kick out...
should know how to contain another team kicking out,,,

should have some clean inside fifties...

etc etc etc....

but we dont....

in reality....


but ill tell you what i am hearing alot now..... and you might too... "our players are shit..."" were no good...." our skills are poor"....

so now its all falling upon the players... because a couple of guys have ballsed things up... one is... the fact that we took on a coach who has no grounding...and the other is we surrounded him with guys that arent the best people available...

Who on our coaching staff would be elite coaching talent???

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:41 am 
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Oh you reckon that the buzz around the football world is about how cutting edge our cocahing a nd development group is???

Im pretty sure other clubs will be trying to headhunt Greg Williams or Craig Braddley... maybe even a Matty Lappin or a David Teague and prize them away from us next year....Maybe even a Brett Ratten???????

Listen..... the trick is to get the best available people when youre attempting to rebuild things......

There has been NOTHING to suggest these guys were the best available... thats not just my uneducated guess.. its how things are...

Were trying to create something remarkable on the backs of guys who are unremarkable coaches...

Good luck....

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:04 pm 
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maybe at melbourne he was an elite kick...
... maybe when he came to the ratten school of coaching and development he lost it???

who knows????

hard to see either way....

though i do know ratts chased him for it....
... as he chased hadley for some on field hardness and leadership too....

they must have had something before they came....

but they are at a club that has not been taught any subtleties about footy....


..tend to watch alot of the Dee's [best mate lifelong member], and his kicking can be exceptional.. ..in time and space, otherwise he's just like any other kick when under pressure, or he's not given much room to work in/with.. ..what i will say though, is the kicking out isn't usually his fault.. ..sure, he's the kicker.. ..but when he's not close to the goal-square, and has to jog there cos another player declined to kick out, you've got the ref calling time on almost straight away, and upfield there's no plan for him to spot up a free player to kick out to.. ..it's always gonna be an iffy kick-out from that situation..

..as for Hadley, i've always been a fan but if yer chasing a player that has mostly proven not to be able to physically withstand the battering of AFL footy, i'm not sure what hardness/leadership you'll get from a guy more often than not, not playing [or not up to playing seniors].. ..would have loved for Hads to succeed with us, but he's not fit enough, or for long enough periods of time and every time he tries to get back onto the ground after another setback, he seems that little bit more off the pace..

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:07 pm 
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GibbsMurphyBluesFuture34 wrote:
:yikes: Did Carlton really pick him up for his so called "Elite Kicking". Half of Collingwood's goals were Chris Johnson's kick in turn overs.

He can't kick a ball with out saying 'That was my fault'. Drop him. Get Kouta to teach him to kick. And say 'DON'T TURN OVE THE !@#$%& BALL,IDIOT!'. :banghead: :banghead:

Sensational post, I've been screaming this from the flower 1st Carlton game I saw him play....What a WASTE of space...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:54 am 
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Chris Johnson's "Elite Kicking" is a myth.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:46 am 
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kkk wrote:
Chris Johnson's "Elite Kicking" is a myth.


Maybe maybe not.. :yikes: ..but one thing for sure is our strategy at kick outs is a massive myth....

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:44 am 
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technically he's probably the best kick at the club, but his kicking skill is not matched with a high level of kicking consistency. Same deal as Murph, great skill but the ability to execute it isn't always there, whereas a guy like carrazzo has very low kicking skill but he executes to the best of his ability quite consistently. The biggest problem with Chris Johnson is he's soft, unaccountable and reads situations poorly, which makes him a liability in the back half.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:45 am 
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Im pretty sure Riley and Ratts saw something in CJs kicking.... they both couldnt be blind.....


He was a much better footballer last year at a wooden spoon side than he has shown so far with us...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:51 am 
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Its a matter of players having the ability and willingness to gut run into space, to allow Johnston to use his kick to its full effectiveness.

My thoughts are that they are keen to push Johnston higher up the ground to allow him to kick over the zone, to a leading forward!!

He needs to earn the respect amungst the playing group, has at times forgotten the importance on pushing hard defensively.

Same could be said about Hartlet, very effective kick, when used in the right part of the ground.

Both need a little more work on their defensive game.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:56 am 
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So is the answer you use players who have far less skill and cant find the ball instead???

Every club has players who have deficiencies with their defensive game...

But you definitely need guys that can spot up targets or kick with penetration accurately...

You dont need a bunch of lock down types who cant kick or be creative....

Ratts is in love with turning everyone into a defender...

Play the game... take the opposition on and play with intensity... they dont actually all have to be lock down players....

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:01 am 
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You mean blokes like Campo Synners :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:02 am 
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Don't blame Johnson for the poor kick ins. There is no plan for him to follow. Our blokes stand there like stunned mullets after a behind has been kicked. We also have to decide who is going to kick in. We often put the ball in the goal square & wait for someone to come along, pick it up & then wait for the ump to call play on before we kick the bloody thing. (usually to a contest) or a little 15m kick to the back pocket for a bomb along the boundary line.

Did you notice how many times Heath Shaw kicked the ball to himself & had it on the wing or HF flank before the goal umpire had finished waving his flag :donk:

I have been saying this for years. Our kick in statergy is shit :mad:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:07 am 
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You mean blokes like Campo Synners :lol:

YEah i mean blokes like him.....

when was he asked to be a lock down type???

CJ is asked to play a defensive role when ive watched him....

not as a distributer that runs both ways....


Even Carrazzo.. lock down role....

Most players...... lock down role.....

Its like we are tagging 6 players a week.... and still trying to play the zone...


Half the games we play ... they really dont have much to lock down... but we will lock them down anyway....


Might even use Bryce Gibbs as a lock down role player against a side that hadnt won in 7 weeks....

Then we have to play sides that we have to be creative to win against... (Of course then they lock down Judd and youre left with noone)
flower funny!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:12 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
flower funny!!!


No it isn't.

You scare me Synners......

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