Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:25 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 2019 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74 ... 101  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:47 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
Belisarius again you cannot say why Ratten is the rigtht man and why he will come good.

Its just so typical... that noone can say why he is the right man and why they know he will be great for us... :eek:

Dannyboy... We played some exhilarating football under Pagan too.... :thumbsup:

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:50 pm 
Online
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:12 am
Posts: 10407
Location: Coburg
we did and in some ways the main problem that forward line is still haunting us. If we keep ratts I hope we get some better assistants - particularly a forward coach

_________________
This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:50 pm 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am
Posts: 548
Punter22 wrote:
Hey why hasn't anyone who DOES think Ratts is the man answered Synner's question about 7 pages ago?

Please - give THREE reasons why Ratts is the man. Instead of smugly chuckling and making condescending remarks about 'Not having an idea".

I'll even add a degree of difficulty. TRY not to use the following two lines;

Ratts is young
The Team is young
The Coach can't teach skills

Collingwood's first year players last night played significant, constructive roles in their win last night.

Age is not a factor here. Teaching strategy and having your players know their role, and executing it, is.

Please give us three reasons or clear examples where Ratts has displayed he is strategically taking this team forward.

I think the idea of a thorough, Geelong-esque, football department review sounds better by the week. NOT a "We have a review every year" review, but a legitimate, no-holds-barred review where no one is safe.


It already has been answered in this and other threads. Synbad just chooses to see what he wants to see, as he does on gameday. Synbad also refuses to say who he thinks should be coach. I think the discontented have had their fair share of condescending posts just quietly, neither side are blameless :oops:

Perhaps there should be a cleanskin thread on Ratts and those who have posted a certain number of times in other threads on his ability should be excluded.

For a few of us all the arguments have been canvassed which is why the digs have become more numerous. Just like talking players the arguments wax and wane due to whether we win or lose for the most part.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:51 pm 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:03 pm
Posts: 4251
Location: Around the Corner
dannyboy wrote:
There have been times when we have played exhilarating football under Ratts - St Kilda and Hawthorn games spring to mind. So he can get them doing the right things but I think he is too negative in the starting setups.

I have liked our defensive unit's development this year - much stronger than it has been for years and I wonder if his main focus has been this.

Ratts has shown an understanding that we need speed and we need to be more accountable - the problem is some of our most accountable footballers are either shocking kicks or in an out of the side (lack of goal kicking hurt factor?).


I agree with you Danny. And there have been times (like last week) where the direction from the box has changed and we've seen a positive result.

But getting up for the odd big game isn't the measure. Our players genuinely don't look like they know what they're supposed to be doing out there. And then you have baffling situations like Armfield being a spare man, or Hartlett taking a centre square bounce in a game where Hammer and Kruezer are in the team.

And let's not even get into forward 50 entry stratgy and kick-ins. These are fundamental aspects of the game which we haven't seen progress on.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:51 pm 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am
Posts: 548
Synbad wrote:
Belisarius again you cannot say why Ratten is the rigtht man and why he will come good.

Its just so typical... that noone can say why he is the right man and why they know he will be great for us... :eek:

Dannyboy... We played some exhilarating football under Pagan too.... :thumbsup:


But it has been covered you just choose to ignore those posts or dismiss them.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:55 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
Belisarius wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Belisarius again you cannot say why Ratten is the rigtht man and why he will come good.

Its just so typical... that noone can say why he is the right man and why they know he will be great for us... :eek:

Dannyboy... We played some exhilarating football under Pagan too.... :thumbsup:


But it has been covered you just choose to ignore those posts or dismiss them.


No it hasnt.... "Geelong supporters didnt want Bomba Thompson either" is not a reason why Ratts will make it.... :thumbsup:

Three reasons why Ratten is the best man for the job...

Go on!!!

You can do it......

Reasonable to ask you ... 3 reasons why "Ratten is the best man for the job"....

Can you do it???

If you cant.... go away!.. this is a discussion on whether the "Ratten is the right man for the job"... :wink:

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:57 pm 
Online
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:12 am
Posts: 10407
Location: Coburg
1: He pisses Melvey off

2: He is Sticks man so if he fails maybe he'll drag Sticks down with him (something mythic in that)

3: If he is as smart of Parko says then after last night 'he'll learn from that'
:smoking:

_________________
This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:00 pm 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am
Posts: 548
dannyboy wrote:
1: He pisses Melvey off

2: He is Sticks man so if he fails maybe he'll drag Sticks down with him (something mythic in that)

3: If he is as smart of Parko says then after last night 'he'll learn from that'
:smoking:


That middle one is the one Synbad is salivating over :razz:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:01 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
Belisarius wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
1: He pisses Melvey off

2: He is Sticks man so if he fails maybe he'll drag Sticks down with him (something mythic in that)

3: If he is as smart of Parko says then after last night 'he'll learn from that'
:smoking:


That middle one is the one Synbad is salivating over :razz:

Ahhhhhhhhhh.... youre contribution...to why Raatten is the right man... :thumbsup:

Anything else youd like to add to the discussion ??? :wink:

We can talk about Sticks presidential credentials also...

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:06 pm 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am
Posts: 548
Synbad wrote:
Belisarius wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Belisarius again you cannot say why Ratten is the rigtht man and why he will come good.

Its just so typical... that noone can say why he is the right man and why they know he will be great for us... :eek:

Dannyboy... We played some exhilarating football under Pagan too.... :thumbsup:


But it has been covered you just choose to ignore those posts or dismiss them.


No it hasnt.... "Geelong supporters didnt want Bomba Thompson either" is not a reason why Ratts will make it.... :thumbsup:

Three reasons why Ratten is the best man for the job...

Go on!!!

You can do it......

Reasonable to ask you ... 3 reasons why "Ratten is the best man for the job"....

Can you do it???

If you cant.... go away!.. this is a discussion on whether the "Ratten is the right man for the job"... :wink:


As you have stated you can't be stuffed reading back through the posts to check on what has and hasn't been said, but even so I'll sum up my thoughts, if you tell me who you think should be coach.

I don't mind saving your valuable time and summing things up for you, but you need to give me something. Who do you think should be coach?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:08 pm 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am
Posts: 548
Synbad wrote:
Belisarius wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
1: He pisses Melvey off

2: He is Sticks man so if he fails maybe he'll drag Sticks down with him (something mythic in that)

3: If he is as smart of Parko says then after last night 'he'll learn from that'
:smoking:


That middle one is the one Synbad is salivating over :razz:

Ahhhhhhhhhh.... youre contribution...to why Raatten is the right man... :thumbsup:

Anything else youd like to add to the discussion ??? :wink:

We can talk about Sticks presidential credentials also...


You've already done that mate.

How many more times do you want us to cover the same stuff :razz:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:10 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Sat May 14, 2005 2:15 pm
Posts: 21579
Location: North of the border
GWS wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
There is nothing wrong with Rattens plan playing the zone defence and using the switch coming out of defence is basically what all clubs are doing
Our problem has been the execution of the plan
you can't play this type of footy if your not prepared to run and you can't play this type of footy if your skills are not up to scratch
If Ratten has done anything wrong it was to persist with a game style that his players are not capable of doing
Craig realized his game plan wasn't working and changed it earlier in the year Ratts should have done the same
Pagan persisted to long with a plan not suited to his cattle
Ratten cannot keep playing this style of game with a team that has 52% kicking efficiency


I agree.

But defence is the least of our worries based on what I watched last night (in the company of four Pies supporters :? )

Can you fill me in on what the plan is coming into the forward line?

And what we're meant to do if it's not working (whatever 'it' is)?

Couldn't work it out at all.


You must be the only person following football that doesnt no what our plan is coming into the forward line



Kick it to Fev :lol:

_________________
If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:13 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
Belisarius wrote:

You've already done that mate.

How many more times do you want us to cover the same stuff :razz:



How many more times do you want to debate me without an argument??? :lol:

Why pop your head in when you have nothing to pop your head in with??? attention???? (at least i give reasons ..... and make arguments within the confines of the topic..).... :thumbsup:

Do you have anything on the topic to contribute.. any compelling arguments???? :grin:

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:19 pm 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am
Posts: 548
Synbad wrote:
Belisarius wrote:

You've already done that mate.

How many more times do you want us to cover the same stuff :razz:



How many more times do you want to debate me without an argument??? :lol:

Why pop your head in when you have nothing to pop your head in with??? attention???? (at least i give reasons ..... and make arguments within the confines of the topic..).... :thumbsup:

Do you have anything on the topic to contribute.. any compelling arguments???? :grin:


Yes you have opinions the same ones they have always been, but just because you keep on repeating the same ones doesn't mean you are contributing something new to the topic :razz:

Who you think should be coach and why, would be new :thumbsup:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:24 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
Belissarius do you really believe that in order for me to argue why Ratten is not the right man i need to tell you who i would really like to see as coach???
Even though ive said we need to put in an exhaustive effort to find the right man to marshall the team going forward and leave no stone unturned???

Would you really run a company by just guessing without checking out the situation properly??

Bellisarius are you for real???

Ive given 10 reasons why i believe he isnt the right choice and i can give more.

Your reasons are...1) "supporters didnt want Clarkson either"2) Bomba was close to getting the bullet at Geelong..3) Synbad you are negative 4) "tell us who you want as coach is my reason why ratts is the right man"

Thats not a reason why Ratten is the right man for the job....is it???

Now tell us WHY ratts is the right man for the job... :wink:

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:26 pm 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am
Posts: 548
Synbad wrote:
Belisarius wrote:

You've already done that mate.

How many more times do you want us to cover the same stuff :razz:



How many more times do you want to debate me without an argument??? :lol:

Why pop your head in when you have nothing to pop your head in with??? attention???? (at least i give reasons ..... and make arguments within the confines of the topic..).... :thumbsup:

Do you have anything on the topic to contribute.. any compelling arguments???? :grin:


You don't debate. To you your views are fact. Which is why you have to keep on asking people to repeat stuff that they have already written, because you just don't see anything that conflicts with your views :razz:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:27 pm 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am
Posts: 548
Synbad wrote:
Belissarius do you really believe that in order for me to argue why Ratten is not the right man i need to tell you who i would really like to see as coach???
Even though ive said we need to put in an exhaustive effort to find the right man to marshall the team going forward and leave no stone unturned???

Would you really run a company by just guessing without checking out the situation properly??

Bellisarius are you for real???

Ive given 10 reasons why i believe he isnt the right choice and i can give more.

Your reasons are...1) "supporters didnt want Clarkson either"2) Bomba was close to getting the bullet at Geelong..3) Synbad you are negative 4) "tell us who you want as coach is my reason why ratts is the right man"

Thats not a reason why Ratten is the right man for the job....is it???

Now tell us WHY ratts is the right man for the job... :wink:


You do realise that all that has been covered before...really it has :razz:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:28 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
The tongue smiley is cute but you havent once given us a reason why Ratts is the right man for the job....

True to form.... :thumbsup:

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:29 pm 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am
Posts: 548
I'm just waiting for something about the Greens and the Blues......... that will really complete the circle :razz:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:31 pm 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am
Posts: 548
Synbad wrote:
The tongue smiley is cute but you havent once given us a reason why Ratts is the right man for the job....

True to form.... :thumbsup:


Actually I have a number of times. You didn't accept the arguments then..so I doubt you will change your mind now after a bad loss :wink:


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 2019 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74 ... 101  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: dannyboy, Majestic-12 [Bot], spiderman, windy and 47 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group