I think it speaks volumes as to how happy Carlton are with Stevens that they allowed an article with that headline / emphasis to be placed on the club website. The message is being sent loud and clear.

SB I sympathise with you given your obvious commitment to looking after yourself. At least you're doing everything you can, and getting massive health benefits in the process. That kind of discipline will reward you in various ways. As others have said, Stevens is a professional athlete - if he has the propensity to add weight, he has to be more disciplined. From what I hear, he's less careful about his intake than you.

I'm lucky - 6ft 2 and blew out to 104kgs through a diet of large pizza and six pack of beer every night (eh, I was having a rough patch). I'm down to 90 without too much drastic effort within 6 months. When I last went on a running binge a few years back, I got down to 78 (when my ex saw me she asked if I had a drug problem )

Biggest loser thread on talking entertainment.
This is elite sport and he gets paid a shitload.

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Sydney Blue.
Might need to get your thyroid checked..seriously!
As for Stevens...could have fallen to the same nasty drug that got Whitnall.
It's called Lygon Street..and its power to tempt is overwhelming to many a poor soul.

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Nah, he'd get a decent payout without doing anything. Let him rot in the reserves and set targets for skin folds etc. for every month he's on the list. If he fails fine him the five grand maximum the AFLPA allows when disciplining players.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

If you keep that up every day you deserve a medal.

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Stevens last two games he played were probably the worst two he had played for the Club

Regardless of his skin fold his worst is better than some others best

I would be disappointed with the MC if skinfolds were the reason he was dropped he has still averaged nearly 23 possessions a game the bloke who replaced him could only dream of those stats

I hope he was dropped on form and I hope the reason he is not getting selected is because he hasn't shown good form in the Ants



and George between 6 -7 km every morning on the concept 2

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I'd be disappointed if he wasn't dropped because of skinfolds.

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Why he is playing football - Its not an athletic comp - As I said before what were Stuart Dews skinfold grand final day - There are a stack of players playing that are in worse condition than him

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Stuart Dew comes on and has a few kicks and then off again.

His role is to come off the bench and have an impact for short periods of time.

Stevo's role and pay packet does not allow him to play for short stints and then back to the bench.

Any other player in the competition, I really don't care about.

If being fat was unacceptable for Lance, then it's unacceptable for Stevo.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Despite his fitness levels he was still better than

Bentley - Russell - houlihan (except for last week) Anderson Yarren Scotland and if he sat in the forward pocket like Eddie had been doing with the occassional run on the ball I no doubt he would kick goals also - And Grigg only really played one good game .

He was crap against Essendon* no doubt about it - but he wasn't alone

I just hope the club doesn't shoot itself in the foot with this one - Stevens is a quality footballer whose primary role all his career as been an outside footballer who delivers the ball sending him to the bullants and expecting him to get 40 touches is unrealistic when the insiders there aren't as good as feeding it out . We went through crap like this with Campo and we are still searching for someone who can deliver the ball off half back the way he did

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There is no defence for Stevens .... SB whatever u have and I feel for ya buddy u are an exception to the rule.

At the end of the day premierships are what its all about and although when we were down Stevens was one of the few highlights, becoming KFC`s spokesman for the AFL (geez he`s done more for them than Michael Jordan did for NIKE!) is simply just not good enough.

FFS he is the vice captain!

We are a young team, the more experienced players such as Stevens need to blaze a trail for the young guns. So for whatever reason he has let himself go, lost form etc he needed and still needs to be made an example of.

I do not know what the coaching staff did with Fev but whatever they did give some to Stevens it seemed to work.

I, like every Carlton supporter, want Stevens back and firing. I just find it incredible that after so long we are knocking on heavens door and Stevens is in the back of the line taking orders for Maccas!

Who knows what the reasons are (not being made captain maybe) but whatever get over it u r a professional athlete.

Ship up or shape out ... we are chasing glory and glory takes no prisoners and certainly no passengers!

Maybe it's not Stevo at all, it's Strauchanie with a haircut?

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If , ( and I mean IF ) it is a weight and skinfold problem , what the hell were the fitness dept. and coaches doing to let it become a problem ?
If they are doing their job , it should never get to be a problem . Some of these off-field , so-called experts are getting paid more than the players .
What the hell is going on ?

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Then you can distort them at your leisure.

At some point a grown man needs to take some responsibility for his professionalism and his conditioning.

Every player would be aware what is allowed into their mouths and what isn't.

The club shouldn't be living with Stevo to ensure that he doesn't eat and drink the wrong things.

Let's not always look to blame others, when the blame is where it should be and that is on Stevo.

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Ever thought about the olympics?
I trained for years and could never have swum 5km in thirty minutes.
Neither could Kieren Perkins.

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That line of thinking can be used to suggest we don't need police as people living in a community should know that they shouldn't do the wrong things to others.

There is a level of off field responsibility with those chartered to manage the fitness of every player on the list. Remember how each player has an individual program. It's stupid to wait till the damage is done and go into damage control when their was an opportunity to nip a potential problem at the bud.

If you don't measure it, you can't fix it.

Someone, along with Stevens, obviously took their eye off the ball...or, the MC just turned a blind eye to an emerging problem.

The problem is that Stevens has lost the 'gut running' from his game; you don't lose that overnight, unless you've broken a leg or something below the waist ...and I'm not thinking the tape measure.

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The difference is SB the Hawks were happy to take him knowing what they were going to get. We're not happy with what we're getting.

We know he's better than a few on the list, but we also know he can be even better on a much more regular basis if he gets his body in order and wants to work both ways. Its currently not happening and for someone that should be seen as a leader and therefore leading the way its just not good enough.

And, don't forget, it was a few of the younger guys who helped bring the issue to a head. They weren't happy with his level of professionalism.

Its up to Stevens, and Stevens alone, to make sure he's in the right condition to play football. No one else. People can blame the footy staff such as the fitness advisors but i don't see anyone else on our list with the weight issues Stevens has. They can't stop him from drinking pots and having Parma's down at the lower plenty hotel with his mates.

It's not a nanny state for gods sake. The club expects a high degree of professionalism from all its players. Its a message that is finally starting to hit home, if only they did it (or Pagan was allowed to do it ) when Whitnall was around.

If you were Stevens what would you do? Picked up in the PSD in 03 and have played for a club that has had the worst period in its history and then on the brink of blue sky's ahead you become incredibly unprofessional. It's truly mindblowing in its stupidity.

Don't get me wrong, i think Stevens has been a very good footballer for this club but its not about the past AT ALL and until he fully recognises that he's on the slippery slope to football oblivion.

I fully support the MC and the rest of the football club for the stance that has been taken. And i truly admire the level of professionalism from the younger players that helped bring this situation to a head.

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I know a few people will cringe for my saying this, but she could well be right.

Unless someone's pumping you full of sugar and fat while you're not looking SB, you should have lost more weight. Just be wary there might be a few stretch marks and extra chunks of skin when the weight does come off.

Weighing (heh) into the debate, metabolism can be an issue but personally I think Stevo is feeling the pinch of his neck-related issues and has decided he has hit his wah limit. Needs to accept he's copped a raw deal and get on with it, nobody's going to be able to change it but him, and plenty will encourage him if he gets back on his bike.

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