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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:50 pm 
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So when's the big day??????


The day after you and Melvey I'd hazzard a guess.

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Save your breath Keogh cos apparently everything is going smoothly at the club given that we're a work in progress and no-one knows how far back we've come from and we don't really know because we're not part of the inner sanctum blah blah.
With our steady as she goes development, we will win flags by 2012 in multiples because the other 15 clubs will not have improved. Please, other 15 clubs, remain on status quo cos we're coming and you guys are not allowed to develop. Cazz, if you think Keogh's a clown (and I dont BTW), you can join him at the circus as the great illusionist...all smoke and mirrors masking the real issue....we are flowering average side. Most commentators are now saying the same (Healy, Walls, Shaw...) but what would they know, they're not part of the inner sanctum blah blah


POST OF THE WEEK no YEAR


Isn't timing just everything in life. :clap:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:59 pm 
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TheInsider wrote:
is anyone holding a gun to his head.


Yes........when it is really, really cold i.e. snowing and I have to drive to Ballarat for a game. :cry:

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just thought someone who has a picture of yoda under their name would know everything.


Yoda? Thats my passport photo :sad:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:31 pm 
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My assessment of Gibbs is well rounded but some posters get pretty defensive when he is criticised. You see if I was on my own with my viewI would be worried but I aint. Of course some posters on here would think they are morons just like me :wink:
And I dont want him to have to the same career as that squib Johnstone who because of his relunctance to change cant get a game anymore

What i saw happened on Saturday.

If you want to win a flag you cant have any squibs
If you were not aware of that I am pleased to share that info
Gibbs needs to improve in certain areas of the game.
He has time . He is 20. Just hope the club is pointing out those facts to win rather than burying their heads in the sand just like mebourne did all those years ago.

And if you think he is a star well you need to lift your expectations


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:46 pm 
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keogh wrote:
My assessment of Gibbs is well rounded but some posters get pretty defensive when he is criticised. You see if I was on my own with my viewI would be worried but I aint. Of course some posters on here would think they are morons just like me :wink:
And I dont want him to have to the same career as that squib Johnstone who because of his relunctance to change cant get a game anymore

What i saw happened on Saturday.

If you want to win a flag you cant have any squibs
If you were not aware of that I am pleased to share that info
Gibbs needs to improve in certain areas of the game.
He has time . He is 20. Just hope the club is pointing out those facts to win rather than burying their heads in the sand just like mebourne did all those years ago.

And if you think he is a star well you need to lift your expectations


You may well have a point keogh, but there's very few players of Gibbos age who's accomplished what he has so far.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:55 pm 
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Gibbs is absolutely smashing Johnstone in comparison. Johnstone first played in 1998, and it wasn't until 2005 before he was playing at anywhere near the sort of level Gibbs is now. Johnstone was 25 then, which is a midfielder's "prime".


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:48 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Just hope the club is pointing out those facts to win rather than burying their heads in the sand just like mebourne did all those years ago.


Would you feel any more confident if the 20 yr old had........................say...............3 guys around him to Mentor him about how to play the game and how get the best out of himself over the next 10-12 years.

Perhaps 3 Mentors like the following..........

Mentor 1. 255 games, 3 B&F's, 3 x All Australian, Couple of Premierships.
Mentor 2. 350 games, 3 B&F's, 7 x All Australian, Couple of Premierships.
Mentor 3. 383 games, 3 B&F's, Countless All Australian, Brownlow.

And if these 3 Mentors had spent a fair bit of their careers playing onball that would be an absolute godsend.

If you could spot 3 Mentors like that floating around at Visy Park I doubt they would have their heads in the sand but I've been wrong before.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:48 pm 
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keogh wrote:
My assessment of Gibbs is well rounded but some posters get pretty defensive when he is criticised. You see if I was on my own with my viewI would be worried but I aint. Of course some posters on here would think they are morons just like me :wink:
And I dont want him to have to the same career as that squib Johnstone who because of his relunctance to change cant get a game anymore

What i saw happened on Saturday.

If you want to win a flag you cant have any squibs
If you were not aware of that I am pleased to share that info
Gibbs needs to improve in certain areas of the game.
He has time . He is 20. Just hope the club is pointing out those facts to win rather than burying their heads in the sand just like mebourne did all those years ago.

And if you think he is a star well you need to lift your expectations


Your argument is flawed.

Johnston at 20 was no where near the level that Gibbs is at the same stage.
Where was Goddard at 20????
Where was Hayes at 20???
Where was Bartel and Ablett at 20???

IMO only JUDD and Selwood(who has had an armchair ride so far) in the AFL were and are playing with the consistancy at the same age as Gibbs.

Remember Round 2 when Juddy went back and could have marked and taken a hit but elected to knock it out of bounds?????????

What about Anderson last year up at the Gabba when he threw his body in front of Brown in the dying seconds of the match yet on the weekend he elected to knock the ball out rather than take a hit and mark the ball??????

Now both players ALONG with Gibbs are not squibs............... Houla on the other hand...................

I'll say it again for you.

Bryce Gibbs is only freakin 20............He is a STAR.........He will be a SUPERSTAR............You will look silly in a couple of seasons infact you already are in my eyes.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:13 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
keogh wrote:
My assessment of Gibbs is well rounded but some posters get pretty defensive when he is criticised. You see if I was on my own with my viewI would be worried but I aint. Of course some posters on here would think they are morons just like me :wink:
And I dont want him to have to the same career as that squib Johnstone who because of his relunctance to change cant get a game anymore

What i saw happened on Saturday.

If you want to win a flag you cant have any squibs
If you were not aware of that I am pleased to share that info
Gibbs needs to improve in certain areas of the game.
He has time . He is 20. Just hope the club is pointing out those facts to win rather than burying their heads in the sand just like mebourne did all those years ago.

And if you think he is a star well you need to lift your expectations


Your argument is flawed.

Johnston at 20 was no where near the level that Gibbs is at the same stage.
Where was Goddard at 20????
Where was Hayes at 20???
Where was Bartel and Ablett at 20???

IMO only JUDD and Selwood(who has had an armchair ride so far) in the AFL were and are playing with the consistancy at the same age as Gibbs.

Remember Round 2 when Juddy went back and could have marked and taken a hit but elected to knock it out of bounds?????????

What about Anderson last year up at the Gabba when he threw his body in front of Brown in the dying seconds of the match yet on the weekend he elected to knock the ball out rather than take a hit and mark the ball??????

Now both players ALONG with Gibbs are not squibs............... Houla on the other hand...................

I'll say it again for you.

Bryce Gibbs is only freakin 20............He is a STAR.........He will be a SUPERSTAR............You will look silly in a couple of seasons infact you already are in my eyes.





In relation to all the replies I reckon with the exception of Cazzeman your only picking out the parts you dont like

Deano read over the posts. I said he was 20 with time on his side.
But the comparison between him and Johnstone is valid.
Both were number one picks
Both rely heavily on reading the play better than their opponents thats why they get a lot of ball
Both arnt quick
Both havent shown a wiilingness to chase all the time
Both are shocking overhead when overhead marking is concerned

On that one week at a time show they talked about fear and every player feels it and sometimes take the soft option.
Unless your an exception like Glenn Archer. So grantedjust about every player at some time does a squib act.
Can you tell me where Judd has done it any other time other than the lions match.
Cant imagiNe Houlihan doing what Anderson did at the Gabba last year.
IMO Gibbs does it too often regardlessof his age and he needs to eradicate it from his game.


Cazzeman in regards to Craig Bradley he is one of my alltime favourite players.
I just hope Bradley realises that the game is different now to when he played and even he would get found out if he was playing now.

As someone said one day when we used to stand at the ground "your a squib Bradley"
to which I re[plied
"yep mate but he is the greatest squib to play the game" :wink:

fact is that one way style from just one player can cost you a flag.

Not so when Bradley played.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:26 pm 
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The problem with your comparison to Johnstone is that Gibbs is far and away a much much better footballer. And ability to play football is the most important thing. All the other crap is hot air.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:45 pm 
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verbs wrote:
ability to play football is the most important thing. All the other crap is hot air.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:18 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Save your breath Keogh cos apparently everything is going smoothly at the club given that we're a work in progress and no-one knows how far back we've come from and we don't really know because we're not part of the inner sanctum blah blah.
With our steady as she goes development, we will win flags by 2012 in multiples because the other 15 clubs will not have improved. Please, other 15 clubs, remain on status quo cos we're coming and you guys are not allowed to develop. Cazz, if you think Keogh's a clown (and I dont BTW), you can join him at the circus as the great illusionist...all smoke and mirrors masking the real issue....we are flowering average side. Most commentators are now saying the same (Healy, Walls, Shaw...) but what would they know, they're not part of the inner sanctum blah blah


POST OF THE WEEK no YEAR


Isn't timing just everything in life. :clap:

Regards Cazzesman[/quote]

what no pictures?[/quote]

and try and avoid 'red eye effect'.........and no I don't mean the rose coloured glasses....I expect that you'll take them off before the happy snaps

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:28 pm 
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keogh wrote:
deano35 wrote:
keogh wrote:
My assessment of Gibbs is well rounded but some posters get pretty defensive when he is criticised. You see if I was on my own with my viewI would be worried but I aint. Of course some posters on here would think they are morons just like me :wink:
And I dont want him to have to the same career as that squib Johnstone who because of his relunctance to change cant get a game anymore

What i saw happened on Saturday.

If you want to win a flag you cant have any squibs
If you were not aware of that I am pleased to share that info
Gibbs needs to improve in certain areas of the game.
He has time . He is 20. Just hope the club is pointing out those facts to win rather than burying their heads in the sand just like mebourne did all those years ago.

And if you think he is a star well you need to lift your expectations


Your argument is flawed.

Johnston at 20 was no where near the level that Gibbs is at the same stage.
Where was Goddard at 20????
Where was Hayes at 20???
Where was Bartel and Ablett at 20???

IMO only JUDD and Selwood(who has had an armchair ride so far) in the AFL were and are playing with the consistancy at the same age as Gibbs.

Remember Round 2 when Juddy went back and could have marked and taken a hit but elected to knock it out of bounds?????????

What about Anderson last year up at the Gabba when he threw his body in front of Brown in the dying seconds of the match yet on the weekend he elected to knock the ball out rather than take a hit and mark the ball??????

Now both players ALONG with Gibbs are not squibs............... Houla on the other hand...................

I'll say it again for you.

Bryce Gibbs is only freakin 20............He is a STAR.........He will be a SUPERSTAR............You will look silly in a couple of seasons infact you already are in my eyes.





In relation to all the replies I reckon with the exception of Cazzeman your only picking out the parts you dont like

Deano read over the posts. I said he was 20 with time on his side.
But the comparison between him and Johnstone is valid.
Both were number one picks
Both rely heavily on reading the play better than their opponents thats why they get a lot of ball
Both arnt quick
Both havent shown a wiilingness to chase all the time
Both are shocking overhead when overhead marking is concerned

On that one week at a time show they talked about fear and every player feels it and sometimes take the soft option.
Unless your an exception like Glenn Archer. So grantedjust about every player at some time does a squib act.
Can you tell me where Judd has done it any other time other than the lions match.
Cant imagiNe Houlihan doing what Anderson did at the Gabba last year.
IMO Gibbs does it too often regardlessof his age and he needs to eradicate it from his game.


Cazzeman in regards to Craig Bradley he is one of my alltime favourite players.
I just hope Bradley realises that the game is different now to when he played and even he would get found out if he was playing now.

As someone said one day when we used to stand at the ground "your a squib Bradley"
to which I re[plied
"yep mate but he is the greatest squib to play the game" :wink:

fact is that one way style from just one player can cost you a flag.

Not so when Bradley played.


So let me get this straight.

On one hand you say he is only 20 and time is on his side..........then you try and i say TRY and compare him to Johnstone coz he is No1 pick why not compare him to Goddard???????

So the crux of your argument is that you don't want him to turn out like Johnstone yet coz he's 20 he may turn out like say Hird.

Hedging your bets somewhat keogh..............

If he fails(which aint gonna happen) you'll bang on about how all those years ago you told us.

Then when he becomes a SUPERSTAR(which he will) you'll come out and say but back then i said he was only 20....... :lol:

I'll ask you one last question..........

DO YOU THINK GIBBS WILL BE A SUPERSTAR????????????


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:34 pm 
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First I've heard of it



:lol:
You've been on fire lately Megaman.
Who's writing your stuff?

Mostly keogh, but sometimes Dodo27 helps out

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:54 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
So let me get this straight.

On one hand you say he is only 20 and time is on his side..........then you try and i say TRY and compare him to Johnstone coz he is No1 pick why not compare him to Goddard???????

So the crux of your argument is that you don't want him to turn out like Johnstone yet coz he's 20 he may turn out like say Hird.

Hedging your bets somewhat keogh..............

If he fails(which aint gonna happen) you'll bang on about how all those years ago you told us.

Then when he becomes a SUPERSTAR(which he will) you'll come out and say but back then i said he was only 20....... :lol:

I'll ask you one last question..........

DO YOU THINK GIBBS WILL BE A SUPERSTAR????????????


That question is a tad precious. And why wouldn't you hedge your bets? Since when did supporting your team come down to "told you so"? This line of attack is as wayward as Mitchell Johnson. Keogh has seen habits in Bryce that concern him - fair enough. They don't concern me as much, but that's fine.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:58 pm 
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lily of laguna wrote:
Why is the result against the swans insignificant? surely if Ratts can mastermind a win against a very well drilled and experienced team like the Swannies that would indicate something to you?
I just think that the swans are in decline and on the verge of a blowout very soon. There were signs that it was going to happen last week and I think the scoreline flattered them against the scum

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:21 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
keogh wrote:
My assessment of Gibbs is well rounded but some posters get pretty defensive when he is criticised. You see if I was on my own with my viewI would be worried but I aint. Of course some posters on here would think they are morons just like me :wink:
And I dont want him to have to the same career as that squib Johnstone who because of his relunctance to change cant get a game anymore

What i saw happened on Saturday.

If you want to win a flag you cant have any squibs
If you were not aware of that I am pleased to share that info
Gibbs needs to improve in certain areas of the game.
He has time . He is 20. Just hope the club is pointing out those facts to win rather than burying their heads in the sand just like mebourne did all those years ago.

And if you think he is a star well you need to lift your expectations


Your argument is flawed.

Johnston at 20 was no where near the level that Gibbs is at the same stage.
Where was Goddard at 20????
Where was Hayes at 20???
Where was Bartel and Ablett at 20???

IMO only JUDD and Selwood(who has had an armchair ride so far) in the AFL were and are playing with the consistancy at the same age as Gibbs.

Remember Round 2 when Juddy went back and could have marked and taken a hit but elected to knock it out of bounds?????????

What about Anderson last year up at the Gabba when he threw his body in front of Brown in the dying seconds of the match yet on the weekend he elected to knock the ball out rather than take a hit and mark the ball??????

Now both players ALONG with Gibbs are not squibs............... Houla on the other hand...................

I'll say it again for you.

Bryce Gibbs is only freakin 20............He is a STAR.........He will be a SUPERSTAR............You will look silly in a couple of seasons infact you already are in my eyes.

Plus add the fact Johnstone loves the pi$$ and also loves to pi$$ his money up against the wall. The character trait differences between Jonstone and Gibbs are as far apart as the North and South Pole.

But just continue typing crap waiting for a response :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:57 pm 
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keogh wrote:
If you want to win a flag you cant have any squibs


Your clear inference that he is a squib is disgraceful.

These are the comments that ruin your posts.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:33 am 
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There are some things which concern me too...but he's my favourite player and if you think there isn't at least 4 years improvement in him then well....I think your wrong...

So there. :beer:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:18 am 
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SA Blue wrote:
keogh wrote:
If you want to win a flag you cant have any squibs


Your clear inference that he is a squib is disgraceful.

These are the comments that ruin your posts.




I havent said he is a squib.
I said Johnstone is
And he is in the QAFL now
I am saying he needs to improve in certain areas of his game which are way off it.
And players who look at oncoming contact and not the ball cost you a flag.
Just ask Mark Thompson

To answer Deano35's question
NO I hope I am wrong


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:57 am 
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verbs wrote:
The problem with your comparison to Johnstone is that Gibbs is far and away a much much better footballer. And ability to play football is the most important thing. All the other crap is hot air.



Verbs I hate to say it but i agree with you :grin:

But IMO I am right about what I see with him.
The other point that I havent made is his kicking skills
They are overrated
He doesnt have a penetrating kick
He kicks poorly under pressure
He doesnt run and carry the ball as far as other mids
He often goes wide with the precision 30 metre pass which leads to a clogged forward line

The games against Essendon*(first one) and Sydney and Adelaide were particularly poor.


He is a better footballer than Johnstone . Problem was Johnstone was surrounded by poor leadership at Melbourne plus he is a bit of a flower by all reports.

Just hope he gets the right advice.


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