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Big Kahuna Boot
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:44 pm 
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Yes, but the more you ask of his hands, the more likely they will succumb to their foetus nature and fail him.

Those other blokes didn't have tiny hands. He can't do a West, Diesel or Mitchell and collect and dish off in the same motion consistently, especially as he gets more and more finger injuries by playing this great game. Dunno about Kirk in the trenches personally.

Tiny arms and tiny hands lower his chances of being a successful footballer, it's that simple.


..granted, he ain't gonna be attempting the Kouta one handed pick-up.. ..but i still reckon he's gonna be v.good consistently, and would have finished off our midfield..

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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..for where our list is at, we could not afford to take a 'risk' as you call it, with our first pick.. ..especially when a HFF wasn't our biggest weakness.. ..inside mid and chf/chb were by far our more pressing concerns in regards to building our list.. ..flashy silky flankers that pose a possible risk, that also have 'lazy' hype and which may take a few years to come good can just as easily be picked up later in the draft.. ..or rookie'd or psd..

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Who were the silky flankers available at pick 40 or later? :wink: :?

Rich was viewed as a risk by six clubs...

Ziebell is gleaming as a potential miss for Brisbane if he continues his development and avoids injury.

The young Roo was shining at a struggling club with dud targets inside 50 and no leadership on and off the field.

Ziebell isn't playing with Black, Power, Drummond, Brennan, Brown, Bradshaw, Clark and co, but was holding his own like Murphy did in his first year.

Your attitude is even more questionable than usual if you think the only thing our list lacks is an inside midfielder, a CHF and a CHB.

Houlihan, Scotland and Stevens are on their last legs.

Yarran will replace them at half forward or sweeping off half back.


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Yarran will replace them at half forward or sweeping off half back.


Or as a dynamic onballer.

Just on Rich, is he more of an outside player who has elite kicking skills or does he win his fair share of clearances?

Surely you pick the most talented player (amongst character etc)...our recruiters appear to have rated Yarran more talented than Rich. Why does Rich Vs Yarran have to be decided in their first year?

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..Kouta, i said that an inside mid and chf/chb were our biggest concerns, of which there are more.. ..a good strong hff is another [thinking more RoK variety].. ..and of course we can always better our list but generally speaking i think our list's bigger weak links are those positions i highlighted..

..as for which silky flankers were picked up around 40ish and later..?.. ..who knows, they often take a few years to shine, but in 2004 LeCras went at 37 [i think?].. ..and that's my point, aside from KPP nowadays most first picks need to show something.. ..a player that may take a few years as a first rounder is just a delay on your list in a way.. ..cos yer list quite possibly isn't improving as quickly as your competitors'..

..now, i like zeibell and i reckon he's gonna be a good player, but i reckon we have his sort of player covered already [i.e Gibbs].. ..as for the brions, they have an aging midfield and addressed one component, a tough, young inside mid to help take them forward.. ..with our young up and coming midfield led by Judd that young tough inside mid is the last piece to the puzzle.. ..and just by watching how Rich plays his footy i reckon he'd be just as good at Norf..

..and how is my attitude questionable..?.. ..i recognise that Yarran will need time, and i'm hoping he fulfills his potential.. ..that doesn't mean i can't disagree with the club's choice to draft him over Rich.. ..sure players like hoops, snotto and stevens are heading towards their later football years but flankers we have a few of already.. ..JR, Walks, Grigga to name a few..

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Effes wrote:
Kouta wrote:
Yarran will replace them at half forward or sweeping off half back.


Or as a dynamic onballer.

Just on Rich, is he more of an outside player who has elite kicking skills or does he win his fair share of clearances?

Surely you pick the most talented player (amongst character etc)...our recruiters appear to have rated Yarran more talented than Rich. Why does Rich Vs Yarran have to be decided in their first year?


..see, it's best we just concentrate on developing yarran for his position.. ..and leave thoughts of turning him into a midfielder for later on.. ..Rich is yer in and under mid, but can also work brilliantly when in space.. ..has a long, v.accurate kick that's unbelievable.. ..as for most talented player, Rich was rated right up the top at one stage, and him slipping to 7 is a bargain..

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..Kouta, i could add that we rookie'd buddy's cuz and he's shown and given us some silk across the HFF.. ..we also psd'd Edwardo.. ..the dee's picked up davey after we snagged carrots.. ..there's plenty out there for recruiters to find....granted, the players i just named were all older, and Yarran's still very much got youth on his side.. ..but some posters say we need to be patient and i agree, it's just i think waiting a few years for a top ten pick [non-kpp] to come good is a steep price to pay, and by making you wait they really, really need to be something special.. ..doin' a Leon won't cut it for a pick 6..

..Mandy, not talkin' down Leon at all, by using him as a reference i'm assuming [now hoping i'm assuming correctly] that he wasn't a top ten pick....using him more as a reference of a player that's taken years to pair his good footy with consistency.. ..and also the talk of a hff later going into the middle..

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jimmae wrote:
tiny hands lower his chances of being a successful footballer, it's that simple.


Do you think, your getting confused between footy and porn here ? :lol:

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neon leon is a gun in my eyes , and if yarran turns out like that i wont be complaining.
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neon leon is a gun in my eyes , and if yarran turns out like that i wont be complaining.


He was a typical 10 touch a game FP for his first eight seasons until last year, and has stepped up his fitness to be a real gun of the comp this year. I don't want to have to wait until Yarran's 27-28 before he becomes a star. Better late than never, but better sooner than later, and better now than soon :thumbsup:
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.i don't prescribe to all this baloney about limited upside cos they're a ready-made player.. ..that's like saying that geelong didn't hit the lottery with selwood cos he doesnt have huge upside.. ..and thats bollocks.. ..basically, both selwood and now rich are good enough to play well in good established midfields..

.. ..look at the other 'late' developers.. ..what do you expect of them..?.. ..another pre-season, more endurance, footy experience etc etc etc.. ..well, selwood and rich types are getting that too, and are also improving because of it, and if they're good they'll continue to push themselves and improve, as does any star player..

..and bloody hell, fancy calling a mid of Rich's ilk 'vanilla'.. ..that's crazy.. ..mids like him and selwood are similar in ways to mids like voss and roo [crow variety].. ..they dont come every year, and calling them vanilla is way off the mark..

..Rich may play the same style of footy in 5-7 years granted, but it will be better footy than he's already playing now.. ..and that's v.impressive.. ..he is also the exact kind of mid we need and do not have on our list.. ..it is the one missing ingredient to our midfield, and until we address this our midfield will be good, but not great.. ..in turn, Judd will need to play that role in the guts and the roll-on effect continues..

..for where our list is at, we could not afford to take a 'risk' as you call it, with our first pick.. ..especially when a HFF wasn't our biggest weakness.. ..inside mid and chf/chb were by far our more pressing concerns in regards to building our list.. ..flashy silky flankers that pose a possible risk, that also have 'lazy' hype and which may take a few years to come good can just as easily be picked up later in the draft.. ..or rookie'd or psd..


Spot On !!! :thumbsup:

Rich is NOT vanilla.....and if you can't see that then you have no reason to be discussing football.

Big gamble by the recruiters in getting Yarran......at the moment.....not looking too good. But I am prepared to give it some time.

Haven't we already got a silky skilled, flashy HFF who's a bit lazy :yikes:


Whats the definition of vanilla then??
Ive always thought vanilla to be short, one paced and not overly athletic, standard type of midfielder.
I must have been mistaken.

Granted the guy is a ball magnet and has a brilliant kick on him.
Simon Black is elite, and Simon Black is what daniel rich will never be. he doesnt have the body to be. His stature, arms, hands pace etc will always restrict him.

Im sorry, i just dont see what everyone else seems to bang on about him.
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SnickerS wrote:
Whats the definition of vanilla then??
Ive always thought vanilla to be short, one paced and not overly athletic, standard type of midfielder.
I must have been mistaken.


I can agree with that.

And to those who say Murphy is the exact type of player I am banging on about then yes, he is and of all our up and coming youngsters he is my least favourite...there I said it. :yikes:

Now this is all just a supporters personal opinion.....it's my own likes and dislikes...I'm not saying those who would prefer Rich to Yarran are wrong just that i'm not a fan of players like Rich and unless he was clearly the more talented player at our pick would I have agreed with the selection.

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Carltn70 wrote:
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.i don't prescribe to all this baloney about limited upside cos they're a ready-made player.. ..that's like saying that geelong didn't hit the lottery with selwood cos he doesnt have huge upside.. ..and thats bollocks.. ..basically, both selwood and now rich are good enough to play well in good established midfields..

.. ..look at the other 'late' developers.. ..what do you expect of them..?.. ..another pre-season, more endurance, footy experience etc etc etc.. ..well, selwood and rich types are getting that too, and are also improving because of it, and if they're good they'll continue to push themselves and improve, as does any star player..

..and bloody hell, fancy calling a mid of Rich's ilk 'vanilla'.. ..that's crazy.. ..mids like him and selwood are similar in ways to mids like voss and roo [crow variety].. ..they dont come every year, and calling them vanilla is way off the mark..

..Rich may play the same style of footy in 5-7 years granted, but it will be better footy than he's already playing now.. ..and that's v.impressive.. ..he is also the exact kind of mid we need and do not have on our list.. ..it is the one missing ingredient to our midfield, and until we address this our midfield will be good, but not great.. ..in turn, Judd will need to play that role in the guts and the roll-on effect continues..

..for where our list is at, we could not afford to take a 'risk' as you call it, with our first pick.. ..especially when a HFF wasn't our biggest weakness.. ..inside mid and chf/chb were by far our more pressing concerns in regards to building our list.. ..flashy silky flankers that pose a possible risk, that also have 'lazy' hype and which may take a few years to come good can just as easily be picked up later in the draft.. ..or rookie'd or psd..


Spot On !!! :thumbsup:

Rich is NOT vanilla.....and if you can't see that then you have no reason to be discussing football.

Big gamble by the recruiters in getting Yarran......at the moment.....not looking too good. But I am prepared to give it some time.

Haven't we already got a silky skilled, flashy HFF who's a bit lazy :yikes:


Whats the definition of vanilla then??
Ive always thought vanilla to be short, one paced and not overly athletic, standard type of midfielder.
I must have been mistaken.

Granted the guy is a ball magnet and has a brilliant kick on him.
Simon Black is elite, and Simon Black is what daniel rich will never be. he doesnt have the body to be. His stature, arms, hands pace etc will always restrict him.

Im sorry, i just dont see what everyone else seems to bang on about him.


As I understand it, "vanilla" means a player is competent in most areas, but has no real weapons. That description does NOT apply to Daniel Rich. Simon Black is vanilla if Rich is vanilla, as is Sam Mitchell. Black is automatic Hall of Famer, Mitchell might get there, and Rich has started as impressively as you could hope.

As for Rich's arms and hands :garthp:. Watch him play, not his apparent deformities!
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As for Rich's arms and hands :garthp:. Watch him play, not his apparent deformities!


You're not allowed to call them deformities or defects any more. They have to be called "Congenital Anomalies"

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And to those who say Murphy is the exact type of player I am banging on about then yes, he is and of all our up and coming youngsters he is my least favourite...there I said it. :yikes:



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Bentley could be like a fine wine also

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I know KK........

I've been sitting here for years not wanting to let it be known.....but there was a pretty good opportunity right there......*gulp*

:oops: :oops:

Who's gonna volunteer to protect me from DUC...anyone...?...errrm please?!

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Bentley could be like a fine wine also

Cooking wine?

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Bentley could be like a fine wine also


and so might the bottle of vingear in the pantry as well... :grin:

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I know KK........

I've been sitting here for years not wanting to let it be known.....but there was a pretty good opportunity right there......*gulp*

:oops: :oops:

Who's gonna volunteer to protect me from DUC...anyone...?...errrm please?!


..nah nah, yer cool.. ..bein' blessed with 3 consecutive 1's we're all bound to have our favs.. ..for me it goes Murphos, Krooz, Gibblet.. ..but as for opportunities passed in Murphos' year can't agree.. ..even with hindsight he's still easily pick 1..

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..vanilla usually means bland/boring/un-inspiring.. ..and Rich is none of those things.. ..he won't shimmy around an opponent, he's more likely to just bulldoze his way through.. ..and kicking those long accurate left footers is pretty damn exciting..

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