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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 2:00 pm 
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1. Running away from the man with the ball... Countless times whenever the crows were running out of the backline nobody ran to the man with the ball... We ran away from him like he had swine flu. We ran back to try and flood the space (by the way, we are crap at doing that). This just allows the player with the ball to spot up any target he likes without any pressure..

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my pet hate!!
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..agreed.. ..i understand a blues player not rushing the man with the ball cos they're scared of the chip-pass, or long handball going over their head to another crows player,, but when yer in that 'nowhere' place on field between two opposition players you're not achieving anything anyway.. ..just kinda drifting in space ahead of the crows man with the ball merely slows him down (a little), but there's no pressure on his eventual disposal, nor any pressure on his decision making process..

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 3:43 pm 
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In the words of the late great Owen Hart Enough is enough and its time for a change.

Fevola - I wouldn't hesitate in trading him to the Gold Coast he has to go if the football has any chance of winning a premiership. Anybody who disagrees is kidding themselves. I was he biggest supporter when he first got to the club but his attitude and temperament cannot be tolerated. Fev knows he can get away with blue murder and wont be touched well i've had enough of it time to go! Get a couple a picks for him Bullgods or GC will give up a top 10 pick.

Ratten - Continues to play favorites Houla an emergency yesterday and instead he went with his great buddy Wiggins. Not the way a professional football club runs. Has a soft spot for Russell as well its time they both got dropped for a long time.

Structure - What in the bloody hell where they thinking?

Future - Trade Fev - pick up a couple a Key postion forwards in the draft.

Play Kreuze out of the square. Warnock and Hampson in the ruck. Waite and CHF.
Walker across half back. Bring in Anderson for Russell. Bring in Fisher for Wiggins.
Play Yarren for the rest of the year closer to goal. Might as well blood him now.

Jump off Army back he'll be ok as will Browne 2nd year players. JR and Wiggins don't have the same excuses.

Ratten should be walking a tight rope as well. Seems like he is getting found out slowly but surely and Swan will be forced to make the hard call with so many good coaches coming out of contract at seasons end.

I think Fevola is a poison chalice in this side and he attitude spreads like a disease. To to go so we can finally start moving forward. He won't give you even 10 good games a season. And the games he plays badly he really makes sure he brings everybody down with him.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:42 pm 
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The 'Trade Fev to Gold Coast' thing comes up everytime he has an off-day. It won't happen, at least not for a 1st rounder.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:45 pm 
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Bower had another game with no clangers/critical errors.

He defends but then when it hits the deck he takes the game on and takes risks, unlike a fellow half back flanker of his.

Surely he should be applauded for actually trying to break the game open instead of taking the safe sideways option that so many of his team mates do.

A game of no clangers?
Like turning his back on a play and allowing Knights an easy goal?
Thats a massive clanger!

And if you have 5 goals kicken on you by Knights you dont need clangers to shw how useless you are...

He was outbodied... outpositioned and gave his usual nothingness again...

An out and out nothing player

Though i dont agree with the girl who came in to suggest players like Russell shouldnt be sponsored.
People can sponsor whoever they like and whatever they like in life proudly.


I was talking about Bower. :?


Sorry :)


Don't worry about it. :cool:

It just seems that Bower doesn't get enough credit for the great form he has shown. Especially with the amount of ball coming in (60 inside 50s to 39)


I knew what you were talking about.

Russell assumed someone took the mark, turned around, walked to the goal line, put his hands on his face, then turned around to see a hotly contested ball. Bang goal.

That was it for me. I can see the positives of Bower, but that instance, after so many clangers in the game by hand and foot, I'd had enough.

Bullants.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:48 pm 
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hmmm..
i don't agree about Fev being traded,but...I'm not shocked t hear that ratten might have favorites..and that Houli is not among them.It just gets me angry.
Houli is great up forward,and kicking to Fev.
i love your idea about Anderson..i'd forgotten about him.(oops)
But really,Grigg can replace russell,and the sooner the better.
I'd rather we play new kids.At least I won't have a hernia watching a 2nd rate player each week,that is doing the best he ever will do right now.
i guess setanta will have a shot now with Waitey out?


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 5:33 pm 
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Blue Revival wrote:
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1. Running away from the man with the ball... Countless times whenever the crows were running out of the backline nobody ran to the man with the ball... We ran away from him like he had swine flu. We ran back to try and flood the space (by the way, we are crap at doing that). This just allows the player with the ball to spot up any target he likes without any pressure..

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my pet hate!!
:banghead:


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I hate this zoning off protecting a pointless space instead of attacking the man with the ball. Ok he might run around you but at least you did something that gives you a 50/50 of a turnover.



Eddie Betts always tries to tackle the man and he is one of the smallest players on the ground. His causing of turnover has a demoralising effect on the opposition. Robinson when he first came in was an attacker, now he has been drilled to become another no-brain zoner.



I can guarantee you if players stood on the mark when the opposition get a mark instead of zoning 5 metres away it would also slow down their play.

Point to the spot where you think the mark is, so you can't give away a 50 and stand there. They have to take 5 steps back before kicking as a result... These are simple things that create a difference...



Also stand on the mark, not 5 metres inboard to give them opportunity to get a better angle... if umpire calls play on... attack the kicker... don't idle around on the mark..


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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 7:36 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Effes wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Effes wrote:
Synbad wrote:
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Bower had another game with no clangers/critical errors.

He defends but then when it hits the deck he takes the game on and takes risks, unlike a fellow half back flanker of his.

Surely he should be applauded for actually trying to break the game open instead of taking the safe sideways option that so many of his team mates do.

A game of no clangers?
Like turning his back on a play and allowing Knights an easy goal?
Thats a massive clanger!

And if you have 5 goals kicken on you by Knights you dont need clangers to shw how useless you are...

He was outbodied... outpositioned and gave his usual nothingness again...

An out and out nothing player

Though i dont agree with the girl who came in to suggest players like Russell shouldnt be sponsored.
People can sponsor whoever they like and whatever they like in life proudly.


I was talking about Bower. :?


Sorry :)


Don't worry about it. :cool:

It just seems that Bower doesn't get enough credit for the great form he has shown. Especially with the amount of ball coming in (60 inside 50s to 39)


I knew what you were talking about.

Russell assumed someone took the mark, turned around, walked to the goal line, put his hands on his face, then turned around to see a hotly contested ball. Bang goal.

That was it for me. I can see the positives of Bower, but that instance, after so many clangers in the game by hand and foot, I'd had enough.

Bullants.


i saw russell do that too - and thought, gaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnn!

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 7:40 pm 
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I was there, I was (am) drunk, I was shell-shocked at half-time AND I still baited those fruit tingles to the end.

Was an inept performance, worst of the season. BUT all the premature sacking of players and coaches is ridiculous. First time this season we have been blown out of the water no matter how we have played.

Today also reaffirmed the notion that yout typical fruit tingle supporter resmebles Harold from Neighbours.

Wathcing Fevola in the warm-up, another day of 1 goal and x amount of points was obvious.

Armfield may want to work on his kicking.

Kruezer is a gun.

Agree with all you say except about Fev. Don't know where you were sitting during the warm up but I saw Fev slot 10 out of 13. He continually demanded the guys to kick it to him. He looked switched on to me. Should have been told to stay in the 50 during the first half and we might have kicked some goals. It's good to be back in Melbourne


Was sitting in Bay 120, right in front of where the boys warmed up.

To be honest I didn't focus on Fevola in the warm up, but I saw him at the start slot one, then right near end of the warm up he missed 3 in a row, the last one being the easiest was met with a typical Fev reaction. But I am not saying Fev played a bad game as he at least was pro active in getting into the game, just he still doesn't seem on song with his goal kicking, hence his usual frustration.



Did his job.
Ran up the ground.. chased ... helped out in defence..a couple of assists .. and did the team things...
just what ratts has wanted from him... :thumbsup:

Love the new fev.... we dont need to rely on fev... cos ratts has some super duper structures going to make us more effective..

we have been trialling these strcutures behind closed doors .. and we used them on an unsuspecting collingwood before really unleashing them this week.

I reckon when Craig saw Fev in the backline he was shaking in his boots and knew he was being spanked by the genius in ratts...



maybe we should ask to play our games behind closed doors if they are executing them so well behind closed doors!!

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 7:45 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Ok that was total rubbish what we served today, and justified my pessimism before the game, while not slashing my wrists we are no where near as advanced as Hawthorn 2 years ago and we need to stop pretending we are. I think we did catch some sides by surprise last year, and teams are more ready for us last year. .



".... and teams are more ready for us last year" - well we did warn them that we are coming!!

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 7:47 pm 
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I think that the most frustrating thing for me is the contrast between our good and bad games.
Even though we lost, the Hawthorn game to me had the hallmarks of a finals contender - hitting targets by hand and foot, pressure all around the ground (the only thing that was missing was gut-busting running to support which Hawthorn, especially Bateman and Williams did during that game).

Look at the games against Sydney, Freo and Adelaide (all games we should have won), and we looked like a poor VFL side; Fumbles, clangers, poor discipline, poor concentration.

The only thing I'm glad about is that I am not a Richmond supporter, given the expectation that was set for both teams before round 1... but its still no confort.

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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 7:48 pm 
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We were totally shown up for hardness in the first half.
they smashed us, we fumbled, we looked to the umps, and before we knew it we were down by 50.
They just came at us harder than we liked.

I like the way Ratten is trying to settle into a best team/lineup, but surely he and the MC need to evolve into a slightly more Horses-for-courses mindset. Just because we won the week before doesn't mean players should be immune from being dropped.

I'm not sure whether he was our worst player tonight, but I think it would send a reassuring message that Dick Pratt has not paid some '$1 million bequest for his lovechild JR to play every game' if Ratts were to drop Jordan. I really think his performance tonight warrants a drop to reserves in favour of setanta, or joey, or someone else.

hard to gauge yarran tonight... looked silky and more agressive with tackling, but who knows.


Hampson is going to be a really fantastic tap ruckman when he overcomes his colour-blindness and figures out which jerseys to tap it to.

Judd went missing for once, but he's only human.

I wish someone would explain what's happened to hadley, cuz he has dropped off the cliff edge form-wise.

I am starting to really flowering dislike Knights.


"Hampson is going to be a really fantastic tap ruckman when he overcomes his colour-blindness and figures out which jerseys to tap it to." - and maybe tell him not to tap it towards the opposition goal!!!

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:36 pm 
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I just watched the replay.

Hampson wasn't as bad as you think with the tap outs.

He was dircting them to Judd and Judd was just smotyhered body on body whilst the next Crow ran in front to collect the tap.

We were predictable and paid the price. Not Hammers fault.

Another point of interest was the Russell- Knights contest. In the 2ndQ Knights kicked 3 goals and they were not all against Russell. 2 of the goals from Knightscame when Browne was playing against him, then the switch came with Russell. Russell ket him in for the easy goals no doubt by giving him too much space...almost zoning off.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:13 pm 
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2 of the goals from Knightscame when Browne was playing against him.


I posted that on Saturday. You only had to be half watching the game to know Knights didn't kick 5 goals on Russell.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:32 pm 
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You guys are nit picking...does it matter now?
Those of us who want Russell out..still want Russell out!
Can't wait to see the ins and outs this week
Poor Waitey! :sad:

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:51 pm 
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2 of the goals from Knightscame when Browne was playing against him.


I posted that on Saturday. You only had to be half watching the game to know Knights didn't kick 5 goals on Russell.



I don't read your posts, nor do I respond to them. I prefer adjectives and nouns. :wink:

A bit harsh on Russell....you should have corrected some of the posters in the last few days.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:41 am 
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I've dragged this thread out of mothballs. This was the game that I lost confidence in rats as a coach. We won the toss and kicked with a 5 goal breeze but rats put everybody behind the ball and left Fev in the forward line. The crows has 2 spare back so it was cleared with ease. Rats left it that way for a half of footy after before he reacted. We were goalless in the first half and were down by 49 points. We were getting smashed in the first 5 minutes and even blind Freddy could see it wasn't working. Rats admitted after the game he made a mistake and people forgive him and said it was a learning curve. 3 years down the track and I don't think much has change.

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/2009/010320090523.html

Quite funny reading the first few pages, it appears nothing has changed on how players perform.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:58 am 
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It does make funny reading but 3 years on we are doing the same

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