No I didn't miss the point. I understand that we cant live in a picture perfect world where everything goes the way we want it, some don't and get quite hysterical about it.

I can live with a devastating loss if that's what it takes to stem the bleeding and cut out the cancers.

Wake up.

how noble.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Ok. Let's turn them all into robots devoid of all personality. Fev is Fev-get used to it. If he had no personality, he wouldn't be the bloke who has single handedly got us over the line in more games than any other person at the club in the last 6 or 7 years. His weaknesses are parodoxically his strengths. Perhaps you would prefer Fisher streaming out from full forward.

I thought we had a curfew of 3 AM? Or was that stripped along with Pagan.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Great, he's won some games for us!

How have we done as a TEAM over that period? How many games has he cost us with his mood swings? How many times has he put us on the back page for the wrong reasons?

No one is saying turn them into robots but to be a successful club the individuals have to follow the same rules.

Eric: If this sounds petulant or condescending please forgive me... but did you or Bax even address the point about 'balancing interests' in my last post? Until then, there really is no point responding..

The point is it can't be the players having to be kept in control by the coaches. It shouldn't be like kids on a school camp.

We need the players to WANT to do this. They have to WANT to stay in and WANT to get the best out of themselves. It has to be seen as a positive thing, not a negative thing. Geelong have this, players have ownership of their discipline and their performance and that is why they have gone from a good but underperforming team to one of the best performing sides of all time.

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Thats right! But at the moment they aren't so what are the concequences?

The CEO of the Canterbury Bulldogs was on the Sydney Footy Show last night discussing Matty Johns- This club had the worst culture you could imagine and were forever in trouble from the board down - About 2-3 years ago they made some very tough decisions on some very high profile players - Willie Mason was one of them - bad egg in the bunch- and Board and even the Coach . They cut and they cut until they weeded the lot of them out. The CEO said it's not so much how you pass kick and tackle anymore it's more about your values you bring to the team.

The bulldogs have gone from a basket case to now sitting 1st on the ladder and interesting the teams that took most of these rejected bulldogs so called stars the Roosters and Sharks are now sitting last and 2nd last

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

Rumor floating around the office that there is a meeting at Visy Park to discuss these issues.

Thats what happens when you are willing to put the club before the individual!

Anyone who doesn't agree doesn't understand how vital the chemistry is in a TEAM sport.

Yep more about this on CSC

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I need some new conspiracy theories; all my others have come true.

theres no i in team , but there is in pisshead?

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

You're right cj. It's so nice to have some sanity around here .

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Have a listen to Maclure talk about this - play hard but then do all the hard work on the field - all the time. If not - @#$%&! off. I'd love to have Maclure back at the club.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Gee, you left out 1980 there Eric. Val Perovic, Wayne Johnston and Michael Young not ring a bell? On the eve of the first-semi final against Collingwood? I'm surprised they don't conduct tours of that binge drinking escapade that started in Doncaster, moved to Sandringham, City, and ended at the Richmond Football Social Club!

Michael Young, who played in the 1979 Grand Final, got the arse from the club because of it and Perc got the sack! No wonder the club turned the area underneath the Gardiner Stand into a disco/bar the following season. The boys didn't have too far to go for a drink and wouldn't be seen doing the wrong thing...well - that was probably the plan until drill sergeant Parkin came along and got the boys to balance the commitment.

If this is the biggest problem we've got at the moment, we're doing pretty well.

Well if we want players to take ownership, what about something along the lines of a vote of the entire playing list? Self imposed penalties?
But I would be hoping that either of these result in playing in the Ants, and not for one week. We lose games? So what. Something has to change.

We need to get to the point where if any player does this kind of thing and puts themselves before the club, which they have done, that the playing group says you're out for a month. Nothing to do with the coaches. Players who do this need to lose the respect of their team mates and want to win it back.

If you think players should be allowed to go clubbing till all hours of the morning mid season, well, they can, but we won't be successful. Not when the teams we want to beat aren't doing the same thing. They get paid huge amounts of money to be in peak condition. They have off season to party, this is business time.

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Punishment could be having every post from this thread read to them by Stephen Hawking?