Yarran was too risky to play in Bullants last week with hamstring tightness, but plays 1's this week? Hope we aren't doing a "Richo" on him.......

Houla would be very unlucky.... i'm pretty sure he wasn't in our "bottom 6" last week.....

Shame about Carrots....

Cloke should be on notice...

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Damn, I'm excited for Yarran. A little surprised after reading a few bullants reports, but last game was good. Goodluck to hammer and Austin. Well deserved. A couple unlucky. GO YARRAN !

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Yeah I am not going to add too much to the conversation as I will just be rehashing what everyone else has said ..................

Cloke or Setanta ??? Averge footballer v below average footballer with above average athleticism ??? Il'd personally prefer Carlos in the said as I think Cloke will either have a decent game or go TOTALLY missing. He has had 6 games to cement his spot, and done jack all with it ........... Really how has he EARNT his spot in the side apart from being tall ??? (That said I am BLOODY HAPPY Fisher hasn't been brought into the side !!!!!!!). Setanta on the other hand at least gives us some flexability in he can play back on Sandiland when he goes forward, can create some marking contests in the forward 50 (not mark them or kick the goal, just an opportunity for our crumbers) and crash into Sandilands in the ruck (Do you get the general theme here. IMO he would have been our #1 weapon against Sandiland)

Houlihan is VERY stiff to be dropped IMO (And not just because he is in my SC team ) He had a GREAT game 2 weeks ago (29 posessions, 4 tackles, 2 goals 1) and was a little quiet last week (19 posessions, 5 tackles) but DAMN, he has done A LOT more than Cloke !!!!!!! Is he playing in the Ants ??? Is there an injury concern ??? I hate the fact he isn't even an EMG, and I am hoping it is just a little bit of list management of a tired body.

Sorry to hear about Carazzo's injuries, he has done well in a tagging role lately and deserved to retain his spot.

Bye Bentley (Was surprised about his innitial inclusion so am not upset about his exclusion ............)


As for the ins ........................


WELCOME ABOARD YARREN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forget about anything that may have been said/done in the past and go out there and show EVERYONE why you were picked at #6 !!!!!!!! Lets face it, last week would have been a bad first game IMO as the Hawks would have snipped him (Ask Setanta how it feels ...........) and next week will be a BIG game against Collingwood so having a look at Yarren this week is a good move IMO

LOVE the fact that Hampson is in !!!!!!!! Big, athletic, raw and exciting. Should be a good sight seeing him battle it out with Sandilands (and PLEASE GOD play him at the primary ruckman with Cloke pinch hitting and Kreuzer playing up forward as a 3rd tall and rucking the forward line, keeping him away from Sandiland !!!!!!!!!!)

It will be interesting to see how they play Austin this week. Our tall defenders seem pretty settled with Bower, Jamison, Thornton and Waite playing loose. SO how will Austin effect the mix ??? Jamison released to play on Pav as he did against Richmond ??? Not sure who would play loose, Waite's main attribute in speed, athleticism and being able to read the play and cut off the ball as it comes in and I can't see Thornton or Austin doing it as well (not that I have seen too much of Austin ..............). How about playing on the 3rd tall al releasing Thornton to play up forward ??? (Think I hear that he played forward as a kid). Or do we just play Austin forward and see if he is an option for the KPP we so DESPRATELY need ??? SHould be interesting to see how it pans out ............

Oh and Hadley, thought he should have been in last week (why would you promote a rookie when you have Hadley in the Ants ???). Funny how he went from, in the media, a key midfielder to dropped in a week ..........

Good ins. Outs will always be debated.

If Yarran's half as good as the wraps on him, he'll kick 6 against that rabble.

I don't care who's in or who's out (actually I'm happy to see Yarran in and softcrock Houla out).

The MC has sent a message.... and the message is simple.......... perform or your out.............. doesn't explain why there is still a couple of players in the team but I guess you can't go making 6 or 7 changes after losing by 4 points to the 2008 premiers

Pity about carrots, thought he did a great job on Hodge last week..

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Really pissed off that Cloke is still in the team and Setanta gets dropped

The selections are obviously focused on players who the MC sees as potentially being part of a future premiership side, in Yarran, Hampson & Austin, blokes with an upside, as opposed to blokes who are either plainly not good enough, or arent getting any better than what they are now (Bentley & Setanta). In saying that Houla is very unlucky to be dropped, didn't think he did much wrong at all, and certainly others in Cloke and Wiggins who can count themselves very lucky to be playing this week.

You would think as the season goes on, Cloke will make his way out of the team, as we are simply not going to challenge for spots higher on the ladder with him playing any sort of role, and as much as I love him, Wiggo is in trouble and really needs to improve his kicking.

We should win, and I think we will win, comfortably. We have a lot more class in the midfield, and I think coming off their biggest game of the year, might be a little flat. I would be thinking a 6-7 goal win, but we have to make sure our intensity is there, even though its at Cararra and against Freo.

Hadley is also named for the Bullants and Browne is not mentioned. Presumably the naming of Hadley is a mistake, but I wonder whether he was a last gasp inclusion perhaps when Carrazzo didn't come up. And Browne I guess will travel in case of a last minute change? Strange anyway. I'd have had Carlos in and Cloke out and I don't think Yarran has done enough to earn a spot nor Hoops enough wrong to lose his. Hadley for Bentley is a no brainer (and was last week too), Hampson needed against Sandilands and Austin looks like he has been fast-tracked back in on the back of some encouraging play last week. Freo a good opponent for him and Yarran to come in against.

Houlihan dropped? You have got to be kidding Ratten ... He has been fantastic this season!

Hadley had to come in, which is a good move, as he has been in outstanding form for the two's.

We needed a full-time ruckman in, and Hammer will provide that match-up against Sandilands.

Chris Yarran's inclusion was a bit of a surprise, but welcome to the team young man!

Mark Austin .. he has had big wraps on him for quite some time now. I think its time for him to step up this year, he looked a bit out of sorts last year when we introduced him. Maybe we put him into the big-time too early, anyone seen his form for the two's of late?

Houlihan dropped and not even named as an emergency (and listed on the interchange bench in the VFL)....

Hammer & Austin in

Carrots injured

The rest I don't really have strong opinions about - Carlos is a bit unlucky, but it was always going to be him or Cloke for Hammer; Hadley needs to be used the right way or else he's a liability; Bentley's omission is no surprise; and Yarran.......well, he started to show some good signs in his last VFL outing (2 weeks ago) but I would have thought there were a few ahead of him (Robbo, Joey, Garlett, Browne), especially given he missed last week with a tight hamstring

Anyway, congrats to all the "ins", especially 1st gamer Yarran

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Interesting that we've named two guys in Yarran & Austin who supposedly have fitness question marks... smokescreen?

All for the ins though, but agree that Cloke is very lucky. Hammer's forward play or defensive work must have been better than reported.

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Maybe the MC have memories of Houlihan's efforts at Carrarra in 2007 against North Melbourne.

Quite simply the worst defensive game I had ever seen from a Carlton player. It was after that night that I did not want him playing long term at the club.

To his credit he had a good start to the season, but IMO he and Stevens are similar in their defensive capabilities and you cannot carry two guys like that in your team and expect to finish top four. Stevens is by far the better player so Houlihan is the one to go.

If he can come back from this and harrass like he did in Round One week in week out over a whole season. Fantastic. He would then be an asset to the team.

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Seems strange. Maybe was being diciplined for something?

Cloke or Satanta is much for muchness. Setanta had every chance to prove himself. He played in a position he wanted. The captain gave him a few passes and in the end he didnt take his opportunity. I like satanta and wish he caught Judds handpass and kicked a goal. I wish he put the ball in front of bentley when he was dashing down the wing but he didnt. Cloke was rubbish but he has had a few ok games and probably works better with Fev as a forward than Satanta does. Hopefully Austin comes in and does better than the two of them and becomes our second tall marking forward.

Not sure why Houla is out but i trust those in charge.

Let's win by 50 points for Gibbs' 50th game!

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Nice assessment...but surely if thats the case with Houla you would have left him out last week and played him this week.

Would be interesting to hear similar assessments on Cloke and Wiggins who IMO should not be playing this week or for that matter onwards after that.

Do Stevens and Houla play the same role??? Dont think so. Think Houla is more of a permanent HF and Stevo well I'm not sure...probably a pinch hitter in the middle when Judd is taking a break. I definitely agree that we cannot carry players who are soft...its just that this week we are against the softest team in the comp and Houla's left out and last week we came up against the hardest and he played...

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We've had this discussion before. Just go over the old threads on the match and the player

I was at that game and you weren't.

And you are bullshitting when you say "worst defensive game I had ever seen from a Carlton player". There's been some absolute shockers (SOS had 10 kicked on him).

I followed Houlihan's game and what I saw was one of our very few class players.

He had a heap of possessions and he was one of our strong bodied players. 2 times when he was outmarked for two goals in the last line against Edwards (who is a decent mark) he was pushed in the back fair and square. Houla should have taken the free and if those frees were picked up Houla would have had 1 goal kicked against him and picked up 25 odd possessions in the process.

Bloody shame you have bring up that bullshit again. I was expecting some therapeutic insight when I saw you had posted.

Shit happens

Houla is a class player who looks laconic.

Have a look at his stats this year

131 possessions (starting on the bench for midfield rotations mostly)
6 goals 1 behind. (with a high degree of difficulty)
17 tackles.

Now go and have a look at the stats of players who weren't dropped. I'll give you a heads up Cloke, Wiggins, Simpson, Stevens, Scotland, Hadley, Joseph, Armfield and Russell.

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This year I have only been convinced that the MC have got it seriously wrong in maybe 3 to 6 at most out of 132 selections for the team. (Thats based on 22 players selected by 6 rounds so far.) Sure a couple of them proved to be clangers, but there has also been some very good selecting.

This is a much better match committee who perhaps unlike previous ones seems to be continually improving. I used to despair at some week's selections. Like OMG not again. Only really had a couple of those moments so far this year.

Yarran freshened up to get rid of any soreness and ready to go. Some players only show what they can do when they are playing for real stakes. Hopefully he is one of those types because we need to find one to help us to win finals and other tight games. At least we are going to find out.

In past seasons Fish would have been rushed back in a jiffy weeks ago. Sadly no more.

Cloke and Wiggins have both played reasonably well at times so far this season. I think that Robert Walls is correct that they are bottom six of the 22 on matchday, but also that of the bottom six they have worked hard to stay there. Probably both have always been bottom six as opposed to others who have steadily slipped down the order. If the Wiggler could kick those set shots he often creates with good play, he'll play 200 games for the club. Can he do it? Its pretty much these next few weeks or never for him. There'll be even more serious competition for the 22 next year.

Setanta a bit unlucky. But if he responds in the 2s with a more confident performance then he will be serioulsy challenging for Cloke's spot again this time and is more versatile.

Houlahan should get back to better form and fitness in the 2s and wil be a handy inclusion 2-3 weeks from now if right again.

I agree 100% with the ins.

That is enough changes for one week.

Not sure why people go on and on about selection when we're not privy to directives handed out the previous week, potential injury niggles or match-up opinions of the MC. Whatever the reasons, with or without Hoops - we're a slow side this week and that's a concern for me.