@#$%&!...what a game. That last Carlton passage of play made my blood pressure go up and made me aware that I had multi personality disorder. I was cursing at Army when he played on and almost got tackled. Then hailed him as god when he broke the tackle and got a run on. I was ready to turn g*y for him when his kicked turned into a Fev mark.

After Fev kicked, I seriously screamed like a girl. I thought he kicked it until I heard the commentator said it hit the post. Man...that feeling when I heard that was absolutely unbelievable. I was ready to commit suicide. It wasn't Fev's fault though.

Wallsy was right when he said our bottom players are not good enough. Getting there though. With Walker, Grigg, Yarran (assuming he plays to his draft position), Browne, Hadley, Robinson etc. to choose from, we are looking very good.

Still disappointing though...@#$%&! I thought we had that...

There were costly skills errors, that killed us. Too hard to see off the ball stuff on tv. In today's game there is no where to hide, skill wise.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

I thought the Hawks tried to really put some serious hurt on particular playhers and it wasw great to see that they responded...

Bentley performance today consisted of fumbles and getting out muscled inside. He for the lack of a better word gave us "nothing".

Wouldn't have picked him ahead of Robbo, Hadley, Yarran or Browne. I just can't understand the discussion that would have taken place between the MC that would have led to his inclusion today.

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At least he didn't shirk it like a couple of TCs favourite protected species did.

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There's so much I could say...

our toughness today was fantastic - we did not lose because they out muscled us. In fact most of the time we won that little baby hands down.
We lost because when our a graders rest we struggled.

and because they took every @#$%&! opportunity in the first half and we didn't.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

This is my first post after viewing for quite a while and i have to say that i am PROUD of the way we are developing... sure there are improvements to be made but the way way we perservered and never gave in where in the past we might have been run over shows 'we are coming'.

Goyou good things.....

carrots also had the fumbles today - and crucially at times most of our players - thats what the best teams in the comp do, they make you fumble. We'll get better at that.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Who had less impact than Bentley?

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They know we're coming.


We now have a core of premiership players, imo.

We just have to be strong in selection and play only those who are mentally capable of getting the job done.

I agree with those who say our bottom 6 selected players are not good enough.

Really hoping the likes of Austin Yarran Browne Robinson Hammer and a couple of others can come in help take us to the next level over the next few years.

Judd is magnificent!

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yep, tried hard and hopefully that's it. With 1 more player with pace I think we would have won. Seriously, we need to get that about football in 2009.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Bit harsh there Benji. Ratten took a gamble. A gamble that didn't pay off and we lost by only 4 pts. We didn't get thrashed. Hindsight is great. But even with hindsight, what makes you think the inclusion of a another player instead of Bentley would have been the difference. What makes you think we wouldn't have lost by more than 4pts?

The gamble with Bentley didn't work out. But a bit harsh to get stuck into Ratten like that.

Yes - sack Ratten - flog the rest of the MC..... You armchair champions have such an easy time - dont you?

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

no, what is happening is that we are getting closer (we are coming) and the closer we get the more pressure will build on the coaching panel to get it right - until

a) they get it right and we win the flag or

b) we get a new coach

and thats how it should be.

The hard thing for a club is knowing are we still moving to a)

or is it time for

b)

and that is football!

so get off ya @#$%&! high horses and let us discuss football.

right now is Ratts time to learn - I hope he learned some stuff from today.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Your missing the point? What was the need to take a gamble at the stage?

When you make selctions you need to have some dort of theory behind them and unless somebody can explain to me what that theory was then Ratten needs to be held accountable.

Not an acceptable selection considering we had better player in the reserves last week and proven players at that.

Bentley wasnt selected to do a job of any sort so why we he be picked ahead of Robbo(30 os last week) and Had's (anzac medalist).

This taking a gamble at the cost of 4 premiership points does not sit well with me.

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bentley would not have been picked because he sat in the front row for the match reviews or cos he bought ratts a coffee and a doughnut

seriously

he would have been picked with a plan in mind and it would be a bit of MC failure and a bit of failure on Bentleys part that it didnt come off

que sera sera

i will be suprised if bentley plays next week

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

From what you saw today what was the plan for Bentley?

he wont play next week time to be in Yarran and let him and Eddie explode on the rest of the comp!

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i would have thought when i heard of his selection he would be used around the stoppages and as a long kick to break the zone

it didnt come off and bentley showed he probably doesnt have the skills to match that plan

it failed

hopefully we learn and as i said id be suprised if he plays next week

learn and move on

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I understand what you are to say but with that in mind is it something that he was capable of doing better the Had's or Robbo?

Ratten is the head coach he gets paid the big bucks to make these decisions and as seen as i saw the teams on Thursday night i knew if we lost it would be because we wouldnt have enough contributors and that's the way it turned out.

If you going to take these sorts of gambles on player make the against bottom 8 sides not the reigning premiers. We could have nipped this "bogey side" issue in the butt today but we failed to do so.

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Pretty good effort I reckon . The fight-back in the last few minutes was classic stuff .

Hadley instead of Bentley and we would have won . He ( Hadley must come in ) . We miss Jacobs too , and Grigg .
Great games from Fev , Judd , Stevens , Murphy , Betts , Waite , Kreuser and Bower was good on Franklin .
We had several players down though . We all know who they are . ( so do they ) .

Roughead is a very good KP forward , too good for Thornton today . BT did try hard though , but was outclassed .

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