yeah, im around, but havent felt the need to say anything. through this entire saga that has been the stadium deals, ive only ever had one thought and it hasnt changed, from when we where forced to leave PP. the afl is run by a bunch of idiots that would not understand the concept of forward thinking. they afl and the clubs created the situatuion they currently face, but as usual, the afl sooks, and will sook until it gets its way.
its like dealing with a 5 year old who cant get the dress up costume they wanted, and yes, for me, its a massive case of, I TOLD YOU SO.
and i couldnt give a stuff what you think Synbad, i know exactly what happens and what doesnt happen when it comes to dealing with communties and large scale developments, having been involved in such things in a professional manner. most of your argument is blown out the water, from one simple scenario. there is a large residence group that oppose the grand prix, funnily enough, grand prix still goes on every year, now even at night
PP was a viable, low drawing crowd stadium, back then, just as it is now (if it was a stadium). If the AFL had a remote concept of forward thinking, they would realise the sitation that where creating, but no, when you have an organisation that has a vested interested in a stridum, you are going to ge true conflicts of interest, also, running their business to personally and with too much emotion, where too hell bent on removing any sort of power carlton had, but also doing everything it can to ensure that Elliot was removed.
In the process, as someone has alluded to (i think it was bluemark) they stuffed themselves up in the process. the AFL sold a dud to everyone, and everyone bought it. (well most, i didnt buy it then and i dont buy it now) Everyone will say we where forced to move games, and maybe so, but im still yet to hear a reasonably argument as to why the AFL could not play games there. and here we are, not 5 years later, and the AFL is talking of how lovely it would be to have a third stadium.
I didnt accept it then, and i dont accept it now, "becuase the AFL doesnt want to"
well, too all the clubs complaining about losing money at TD and the MCG, and the AFL, i say to you, suffer in your jocks. you had a cheaper alternative, you had a third viable stadium, but you where all so stupid and was convinced of the DUD that AFL sold everyone that you didnt do enough due diligence to realise what you where faces with.
ANnd before you say, iwe all know it bac then, it was rumoured when we first moved that cost to break even was something along the lines of 11k at PP, 25K at MCG, 35k at TD.
This hasnt changed from all reports, you signed the deal, so shut up. the afl are morons to letting this happen, but so to are the clubs. If any of them had the balls and brains to say, hold on, we think we are better of keeping it, rather than being the juvenile little shits that couldnt get there way and wanted to go to the "promised lands" made beautiful by the AFL, none of the clubs would be faced with the issues they are now.
so to these poor clubs (and to a lesser extent carlton themselves) i say, you where idiots then, and yo continue to be idiots now.
we got shafted,
you got shafted
everyon bit the afl got shafted, and now you all want to cry poor.
I actually hope both stadiums tell the AFL to get flower. it is about time that the knob ends that work at the AFL realise, that they arent the beez knees and if they stuff up their is something to pay. The AFL needs to be complelty overhauled, becuase at the moment, they have too many idiots with too many figures in too many pies.
they only thing the AFL should be involved in is the clubs.
you simply can not have an orgainsation owning or having a vested interest in a stiadium and then allow them to control the draw. you create a situation ... that we face right now.
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