Hawthorn v Carlton (July 2005 "recruiting" banter)

phoenix johnson · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:18 pm

Beantown wrote:

phoenix johnson wrote:

Because it's all about Murphy.

He won't go to the Hawks if they finish last.
It's us or Brisbane.

How do you know this ?

I understand that Murphy's grandfather played for the hawks and would be happy if that was a destination for him, but I believe he will end up in Brisbane. Why not learn from the best without any pressure.

It's all about who you talk to.

:wink:

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:19 pm

Beantown wrote:

Why not learn from the best without any pressure.

or, why not come to a side where he's a walk-up start and can stick around with his mates.

AND EARN MY LOVE!!!!!

Beantown · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:21 pm

phoenix johnson wrote:

Beantown wrote:

phoenix johnson wrote:

Because it's all about Murphy.

He won't go to the Hawks if they finish last.
It's us or Brisbane.

How do you know this ?

I understand that Murphy's grandfather played for the hawks and would be happy if that was a destination for him, but I believe he will end up in Brisbane. Why not learn from the best without any pressure.

It's all about who you talk to.

:wink:

OK I bow to that, heres hoping your right PJ.

Blues2005 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm **Posts:** 2123

I only saw one day of the Carnival Synbad, I don't profess to be an expert on recruiting so no I won't pick standouts...but hey read through some of my posts from around the first Sunday of the carnival and I'm sure you'll find something....two players that impressed me were Ellis and Dowler but there were others...but I wouldn't call myself a guru on recruiting because I've seen these kids play once, wouldn't be fair for me to name a list of who i think will go where.

Phoenix sorry mate but you're just being stupid. Murphy is not the be all and end all. He is not the messiah. The way you and Synbad and Vintage etc carry on about him you'd think he was the solution to all that is wrong in this world. Maybe he can solve the aids problem, wipe out poverty. He's that good isn't he? No. At the end of the day he's just a very good footballer. But then so are many other kids that will nominate for the draft. Carlton will move forward whether we have Murphy on board or not! How hard is that to grasp!?

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:24 pm

It doesnt matter if Murphy would play at Hawthorn or not.. what does matter is if you dont come last you wont snag him...

Is that simple enough to understand???

Beantown · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:24 pm

The Tyrant wrote:

Beantown wrote:

Why not learn from the best without any pressure.

or, why not come AND EARN MY LOVE!!!!!

I'm hearing you. :lol:

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:27 pm

Can I just add at this point...

I. LOVE. MARC. MURPHY

but... at Brisbane.....

MARC. MURPHY. ETERNALLY. LONELY

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:28 pm

I think its fair to say that Marc Murphy may be the greatest player of all time..... IF he embraces his destiny....

ME

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:28 pm

Blues2005 wrote:

I only saw one day of the Carnival Synbad, I don't profess to be an expert on recruiting so no I won't pick standouts...but hey read through some of my posts from around the first Sunday of the carnival and I'm sure you'll find something....two players that impressed me were Ellis and Dowler but there were others...but I wouldn't call myself a guru on recruiting because I've seen these kids play once, wouldn't be fair for me to name a list of who i think will go where.

Phoenix sorry mate but you're just being stupid. Murphy is not the be all and end all. He is not the messiah. The way you and Synbad and Vintage etc carry on about him you'd think he was the solution to all that is wrong in this world. Maybe he can solve the aids problem, wipe out poverty. He's that good isn't he? No. At the end of the day he's just a very good footballer. But then so are many other kids that will nominate for the draft. Carlton will move forward whether we have Murphy on board or not! How hard is that to grasp!?

Ellis is good.. no doubt about it.
But is he a future captain???
Does he have what it takes to demand the ball and lead a club like say a Voss or a Ball??
Or is he more just a gifted midfielder???

I think we should be trying to draft players capable of taking us somewhere in the leadership stakes as well as the playing talent stakes dont you BB2005??
After all, its not a bad thing to look too far into the future... its called planning for it....

Some people even plan their funerals....

And no you dont profess to be a drafting guru.. but you do say "theres no difference between picks 1 and 3 and 2 and 4 right????

Now youre starting to sound like anony'mouse' and his expert analysis of Dowler and Clark... as seen by the eyes of the guy in the pub...

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:29 pm

He's just a very naughty boy.

The Shag · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:31 pm

i think what blues 2005 is saying is there is no difference between say....
luke hodge/luke ball/chris judd and the likes of the highly rated number 4 pick...graham polak... :wink:

im just taking this piss mate...

Blues2005 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm **Posts:** 2123

Synbad wrote:

Blues2005 wrote:

I only saw one day of the Carnival Synbad, I don't profess to be an expert on recruiting so no I won't pick standouts...but hey read through some of my posts from around the first Sunday of the carnival and I'm sure you'll find something....two players that impressed me were Ellis and Dowler but there were others...but I wouldn't call myself a guru on recruiting because I've seen these kids play once, wouldn't be fair for me to name a list of who i think will go where.

Phoenix sorry mate but you're just being stupid. Murphy is not the be all and end all. He is not the messiah. The way you and Synbad and Vintage etc carry on about him you'd think he was the solution to all that is wrong in this world. Maybe he can solve the aids problem, wipe out poverty. He's that good isn't he? No. At the end of the day he's just a very good footballer. But then so are many other kids that will nominate for the draft. Carlton will move forward whether we have Murphy on board or not! How hard is that to grasp!?

Ellis is good.. no doubt about it.
But is he a future captain???
Does he have what it takes to demand the ball and lead a club like say a Voss or a Ball??
Or is he more just a gifted midfielder???

I think we should be trying to draft players capable of taking us somewhere in the leadership stakes as well as the playing talent stakes dont you BB2005??
After all, its not a bad thing to look too far into the future... its called planning for it....

Some people even plan their funerals....

And no you dont profess to be a drafting guru.. but you do say "theres no difference between picks 1 and 3 and 2 and 4 right????

Now youre starting to sound like anony'mouse' and his expert analysis of Dowler and Clark... as seen by the eyes of the guy in the pub...

And who the hell are you Synbad to critique these kids' leadership abilities/personalities etc? :roll:

How do you know Synbad who can lead a club Synbad? You've seen the kids play footy a few times, that's it. You speak like you have the kids covered from top to bottom Synbad when clearly you don't!

That's maybe the problem Synbad though...you're a waste on here, why aren't you a recruiter Synbad?!? You clearly know how to identify all the intangibles in any prospective future talent, you could be making money for a job like that Synbad, you can clearly identify all traits possessed by young players, you mighty Synbad know who will be a leader and who won't :lol:

phoenix johnson · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:35 pm

Quote:

Phoenix sorry mate but you're just being stupid. Murphy is not the be all and end all. He is not the messiah. The way you and Synbad and Vintage etc carry on about him you'd think he was the solution to all that is wrong in this world. Maybe he can solve the aids problem, wipe out poverty. He's that good isn't he? No. At the end of the day he's just a very good footballer. But then so are many other kids that will nominate for the draft. Carlton will move forward whether we have Murphy on board or not! How hard is that to grasp!?

We don't want him for his ability to cure aids or solve poverty, we want him for his football ability and his leadership qualitys.

There are a few kids in the draft who are pretty good, but Murphy is the stand out. The S-T-A-N-D-O-U-T.
I want a quality footballer at our club next year and if we have to finish last to get Marc Murphy then so be it.
If Wolfe's info is right and the Hawks take Dowler with Pick 2, you'd have to think that Ellis would be next in line.
Imagine having Ellis and Murphy at Carlton next year!

I'd cream my pants if we did.

79Vintage · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:59 am **Posts:** 1971

camelboy wrote:

79Vintage wrote:

It's the black plagueists versus the navy blue plagueists in a battle for thunderdome. :lol:

Haha. Not really an us against them. It's just some people have the Plague, and some are lucky and don't. I don't think there's many who actually like us losing ... is there?

:shock:

You have the plague Camelboy, it's just you don't know you do, you're a navy blue plagueist. You live by the dignity and pride of the Carlton Football Club a value esteemed in our history, you live and wear the navy blue so you don't know you are ill because all you can see is navy blue. You can't be ill because you're in navy blue but you are, all this navy blue thinking clouds your judgement., because the AFL is bigger than the navy blue. And the person most esteemed in your disease, dare I say it, is Big Jack Elliott.

Us black plagueists know we've got the plague, but we know how to get better, and when we cure ourselves of the black plague by winning a premiership we will at the same time present a cure to the navy blue plagueists and rid our once great football club of both strands of the plague.

Blues2005 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm **Posts:** 2123

phoenix johnson wrote:

Quote:

Phoenix sorry mate but you're just being stupid. Murphy is not the be all and end all. He is not the messiah. The way you and Synbad and Vintage etc carry on about him you'd think he was the solution to all that is wrong in this world. Maybe he can solve the aids problem, wipe out poverty. He's that good isn't he? No. At the end of the day he's just a very good footballer. But then so are many other kids that will nominate for the draft. Carlton will move forward whether we have Murphy on board or not! How hard is that to grasp!?

We don't want him for his ability to cure aids or solve poverty, we want him for his football ability and his leadership qualitys.

There are a few kids in the draft who are pretty good, but Murphy is the stand out. The S-T-A-N-D-O-U-T.
I want a quality footballer at our club next year and if we have to finish last to get Marc Murphy then so be it.
If Wolfe's info is right and the Hawks take Dowler with Pick 2, you'd have to think that Ellis would be next in line.
Imagine having Ellis and Murphy at Carlton next year!

I'd cream my pants if we did.

PJ I've never denied that Murphy is a top talent. I've seen him play, just like you. It's obvious that he's a good player. My argument is that Carlton will be successful again soon whether or not we have Murphy on board. It would seem that at "worst" (for people like you, Synbad etc) we'll end up with picks 2 and 4...so we're going to substantially improve the level of young talent at the club regardless! Me, personally I'd be happy with whoever we take...whatever happens it appears that we'll get two top 4 picks....how can we possibly lose??

phoenix johnson · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:45 pm

Blues2005 wrote:

phoenix johnson wrote:

Quote:

Phoenix sorry mate but you're just being stupid. Murphy is not the be all and end all. He is not the messiah. The way you and Synbad and Vintage etc carry on about him you'd think he was the solution to all that is wrong in this world. Maybe he can solve the aids problem, wipe out poverty. He's that good isn't he? No. At the end of the day he's just a very good footballer. But then so are many other kids that will nominate for the draft. Carlton will move forward whether we have Murphy on board or not! How hard is that to grasp!?

We don't want him for his ability to cure aids or solve poverty, we want him for his football ability and his leadership qualitys.

There are a few kids in the draft who are pretty good, but Murphy is the stand out. The S-T-A-N-D-O-U-T.
I want a quality footballer at our club next year and if we have to finish last to get Marc Murphy then so be it.
If Wolfe's info is right and the Hawks take Dowler with Pick 2, you'd have to think that Ellis would be next in line.
Imagine having Ellis and Murphy at Carlton next year!

I'd cream my pants if we did.

PJ I've never denied that Murphy is a top talent. I've seen him play, just like you. It's obvious that he's a good player. My argument is that Carlton will be successful again soon whether or not we have Murphy on board. It would seem that at "worst" (for people like you, Synbad etc) we'll end up with picks 2 and 4...so we're going to substantially improve the level of young talent at the club regardless! Me, personally I'd be happy with whoever we take...whatever happens it appears that we'll get two top 4 picks....how can we possibly lose??

But if what has been said about Murphy and Carlton is true, wouldn't you like to finish last and grab him at Pick 1 and Ellis at Pick 3?

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:45 pm

Blues2005 wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Blues2005 wrote:

I only saw one day of the Carnival Synbad, I don't profess to be an expert on recruiting so no I won't pick standouts...but hey read through some of my posts from around the first Sunday of the carnival and I'm sure you'll find something....two players that impressed me were Ellis and Dowler but there were others...but I wouldn't call myself a guru on recruiting because I've seen these kids play once, wouldn't be fair for me to name a list of who i think will go where.

Phoenix sorry mate but you're just being stupid. Murphy is not the be all and end all. He is not the messiah. The way you and Synbad and Vintage etc carry on about him you'd think he was the solution to all that is wrong in this world. Maybe he can solve the aids problem, wipe out poverty. He's that good isn't he? No. At the end of the day he's just a very good footballer. But then so are many other kids that will nominate for the draft. Carlton will move forward whether we have Murphy on board or not! How hard is that to grasp!?

Ellis is good.. no doubt about it.
But is he a future captain???
Does he have what it takes to demand the ball and lead a club like say a Voss or a Ball??
Or is he more just a gifted midfielder???

I think we should be trying to draft players capable of taking us somewhere in the leadership stakes as well as the playing talent stakes dont you BB2005??
After all, its not a bad thing to look too far into the future... its called planning for it....

Some people even plan their funerals....

And no you dont profess to be a drafting guru.. but you do say "theres no difference between picks 1 and 3 and 2 and 4 right????

Now youre starting to sound like anony'mouse' and his expert analysis of Dowler and Clark... as seen by the eyes of the guy in the pub...

And who the hell are you Synbad to critique these kids' leadership abilities/personalities etc? :roll:

How do you know Synbad who can lead a club Synbad? You've seen the kids play footy a few times, that's it. You speak like you have the kids covered from top to bottom Synbad when clearly you don't!

That's maybe the problem Synbad though...you're a waste on here, why aren't you a recruiter Synbad?!? You clearly know how to identify all the intangibles in any prospective future talent, you could be making money for a job like that Synbad, you can clearly identify all traits possessed by young players, you mighty Synbad know who will be a leader and who won't :lol:

i have bigger fish to fry BB2005.
And im so good at calling out a leade4r that i bet the recruiters already know what i know and cAll out Murphys name with pick one...

Wanna bet on it????

Why dont they just call our Sam Carpenters name???

Wanna know why????Cos great as Sam is and you really have to admire his courage.... he doesnt stack up all round with Murphy....

BB2005.. im going to put you in the "Doesnt have a clue basket"

Sorry.. but in you go!!!!

Oops a daisy...

79Vintage · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:59 am **Posts:** 1971

Synbad wrote:

Ellis is good.. no doubt about it.
But is he a future captain???
Does he have what it takes to demand the ball and lead a club like say a Voss or a Ball??
Or is he more just a gifted midfielder???

I think we should be trying to draft players capable of taking us somewhere in the leadership stakes as well as the playing talent stakes dont you BB2005??

And no you dont profess to be a drafting guru.. but you do say "theres no difference between picks 1 and 3 and 2 and 4 right????
.

BINGO

BINGO

BINGO

And Blues2005 form the black plague thread,

"...getting Murphy or not getting Murphy will NOT determine whether or not we win a flag in the near future."

This is where the two sides of the argument differ, getting Murphy is the first step about getting the right type of player to our club.

GRAND BINGO :!:

dannyboy · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:48 pm

Oh come on. So its this kid or the highway - utter, utter crap!

I remember this kid see, he was gunna be, gunna be a star, gunna be the next captain., had it stamped all ovcer him, natural leader, bloody biggest football brain since Big Nick, absolute gunna be

Course then Lance failed to grow up.

Look Muphs might be the greatest player to ever fill a jock strap

then again

he may just be a good player

either way he is 1.

and no sorry

I do not think 1 & 3

is a laid down misere on 2 & 4 or any such crap.

Gee richmond did fine last year.

Remember Judd eh.

I mean why is it that chance occurs everywhere except at calrotn. With us its him or history.

Crap!

No one knows. No one.

Except in hindsight - all of us accept lance aint NOW!!!!!

Blues2005 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm **Posts:** 2123

phoenix johnson wrote:

Blues2005 wrote:

phoenix johnson wrote:

Quote:

Phoenix sorry mate but you're just being stupid. Murphy is not the be all and end all. He is not the messiah. The way you and Synbad and Vintage etc carry on about him you'd think he was the solution to all that is wrong in this world. Maybe he can solve the aids problem, wipe out poverty. He's that good isn't he? No. At the end of the day he's just a very good footballer. But then so are many other kids that will nominate for the draft. Carlton will move forward whether we have Murphy on board or not! How hard is that to grasp!?

We don't want him for his ability to cure aids or solve poverty, we want him for his football ability and his leadership qualitys.

There are a few kids in the draft who are pretty good, but Murphy is the stand out. The S-T-A-N-D-O-U-T.
I want a quality footballer at our club next year and if we have to finish last to get Marc Murphy then so be it.
If Wolfe's info is right and the Hawks take Dowler with Pick 2, you'd have to think that Ellis would be next in line.
Imagine having Ellis and Murphy at Carlton next year!

I'd cream my pants if we did.

PJ I've never denied that Murphy is a top talent. I've seen him play, just like you. It's obvious that he's a good player. My argument is that Carlton will be successful again soon whether or not we have Murphy on board. It would seem that at "worst" (for people like you, Synbad etc) we'll end up with picks 2 and 4...so we're going to substantially improve the level of young talent at the club regardless! Me, personally I'd be happy with whoever we take...whatever happens it appears that we'll get two top 4 picks....how can we possibly lose??

But if what has been said about Murphy and Carlton is true, wouldn't you like to finish last and grab him at Pick 1 and Ellis at Pick 3?

Have you ever thought that you're leaving a bit too much to chance anyway?

What if Murphy wants to go to Brissy, has to be a possiblity, then by your theory we're really stuffed aren't we!

To be honest two picks in the top 4 can only make us better, whoever we pick. Whether or not we get Murphy won't make me lose sleep at night pj.

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