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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:47 am 
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also whats with the 50 against grigg anyway?

since when do 50's get given off the ball?

let alone halfway down the ground away from the play


I think Grigg gave away a free kick in the middle of the ground, Fev gave away a 50m penalty so that penalty takes place from where Grigg gave away the free kick.


But that's the whole problem, it was called as play on, so Fev did, then he said it was a "double 50" which is incorrect because you can't give away a 50 if the free kick is downfield. Also if Fev took the ball off the player who was rewarded the free, then the penalty applies, but seeing as the free was awarded downfield then the 50mt for knocking the ball out (off which he didn't) should not apply unless he refused to give the ball back or was time wasting.

No matter how you look at it, the umpires were the only ones who made the mistake.


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We got beaten by a 6 or 8 goal burst in the second qtr.

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Been some confusion about the 100M penalty given away on the weekend. Was talking to someone today who was on the fence near the umpire and Fev when the 50 metres was awarded.

Apparently the order of events was this.

Umpire up the ground awards a 50 metre against Grigg.

Umpire near Fev does not hear this and calls Port player to play on.

Fev strips ball from Port player.

Umpire realises that original 50 was called against Grigg, then awards 50 metres against Fev.

Was told that everyone in that section of the crowd heard the play on call clearly and the reaction from the crowd was as you would expect.

Disgraceful from the umpire involved.


Not exactly what audio on the replay shows. Ump appears to be signalling play on when Fev is 20m away, so Fev deviates from heading towards the mark, towards Harding. As he approaches Harding we hear clear as day ump say "Wait wait wait wait" Fev looks back to him, then keeps going ".. 50m, it's 50m" .. Fev then reaches for the ball, apparently confused, but chose to grab the ball rather than do what the ump said. Ump immediately says "No No ... and another 50 too, you knocked the ball out of his hand it's 2 50s".

A harsh call, probably, but shit he's been round long enough to know that you have to listen to them cos they are savage on "time wasting" when you don't listen to them, even if accidental.


In that situation, the umpire should have used his noggin and done nothing further.

Soooooooooooooooooo many times an umpire calls play on after blowing his whistle to stop play and award a free kick, that opposition players freeze in their tracks, while the player with the ball has run off before anyone has thought to chase, giving him a 30 metre head start.

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But I lay the blame for this entirely at the seat of Gieschen, who is a total idiot and has no idea about how to improve the relationship between players and umps .. instead he has them acting like untouchable demi Gods.



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If Brent Harvey took that mark in Round 1 Armfield would have got a free kick for hands in the back. I think the most frustrating thing about umpiring is how the interpretation of rules evolves throughout a season.


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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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also whats with the 50 against grigg anyway?

since when do 50's get given off the ball?

let alone halfway down the ground away from the play


I think Grigg gave away a free kick in the middle of the ground, Fev gave away a 50m penalty so that penalty takes place from where Grigg gave away the free kick.


yeah but umpire bozo said thats 2 50s

2 ?!?!

can't be

they are idiots

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grrofunger wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
also whats with the 50 against grigg anyway?

since when do 50's get given off the ball?

let alone halfway down the ground away from the play


I think Grigg gave away a free kick in the middle of the ground, Fev gave away a 50m penalty so that penalty takes place from where Grigg gave away the free kick.


yeah but umpire bozo said thats 2 50s

2 ?!?!

can't be

they are idiots


Laws Of The Game 2008 wrote:
16.7 Further Breach of Laws Before Disposal

(b) Where a Field Umpire has awarded a Free Kick or a Mark to a
Player and before disposing of the football a Player from the
opposition Team engages in conduct for which a Free Kick would
ordinarily be awarded, then the resultant Free Kick shall be
taken where the offence occurred, or a Fifty-Metre Penalty shall
be awarded to the Player with the original Free Kick or Mark,
whichever is the greater penalty against the offending Team.


Depends upon the timing, and where Grigg was.


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yeah but come on

how often fo you see 50 metre penalties awarded off the ball ??

never ?!?!

it was vindictive umpiring at best.

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grrofunger wrote:
yeah but come on

how often fo you see 50 metre penalties awarded off the ball ??

never ?!?!

it was vindictive umpiring at best.


Actually, it happens quite a bit.


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really? i have a shit memory then

free kicks off the ball yes

but 50m penalties for initial infringements off the ball ?

i must be blinded by rage at how shit the game has become.

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grrofunger wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
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also whats with the 50 against grigg anyway?

since when do 50's get given off the ball?

let alone halfway down the ground away from the play


I think Grigg gave away a free kick in the middle of the ground, Fev gave away a 50m penalty so that penalty takes place from where Grigg gave away the free kick.


yeah but umpire bozo said thats 2 50s

2 ?!?!

can't be

they are idiots


I don't think the umpire near Fev knew what was going on when he said that.

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do they ever know whats going on ?

if he is the controlling umpire - he should know why he is taking the ball away and running down the other end of the ground shouldnt he?

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really? i have a shit memory then

free kicks off the ball yes

but 50m penalties for initial infringements off the ball ?

i must be blinded by rage at how shit the game has become.


Maybe once a week or so (over all matches)? Someone does some niggle or gets sucked in away from the mark, and bam they get a 50.


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do they ever know whats going on ?

if he is the controlling umpire - he should know why he is taking the ball away and running down the other end of the ground shouldnt he?


He knew the ball was to go back to the centre. He may have been confused about why it was going there i.e by a free kick rather than a 50m penalty.

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That was one of quite a few North Melbourne goals that were a gift from poor umpiring descisions.

Apalling.

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Most umpires hate Brendon Fevola.
He's brash, big, talented, popular, built like a truck and gets paid a fortune, in short he's everything an umpire isn't.
Some will pay free kicks against him for no valid reason, some won't pay him the kicks he's due, and some will even fall on their girlie arse and trip him over.
Such is life for the Fevster.


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Just read this...and it brought back bad memories...
TBB you are right and Headplant...you are being too logical.
Happened in front of me and I doubt Fev could hear the audio that clearly.

Vozzo was signalling....wait for it..."deliberate out of bounds" that is two hands, palms up in front of his face" ...after saying wait wait...Fev was continuously looking behind and slowly approached as this signal was happening.
I think Vozzo was implying "give the ball to me" ? but only he'll know.

Fev would've thought it was play on ...but was it was also obvious a free had been blown as ALL players had stopped.
Fev went to get the ball...North player (was it Power?) pulls away and Fev punches it out....

Vozzo then very clearly blows whistle and says it's a 50...
If he knew waht was happening he woul've blown it earlier and asked for the ball....

Very weird...BUT quite obvious Fev, Power, Vozzo and 40K fans had no idea what was going on...

To pay that 50 was simply a disgrace

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How does Fevs 'free kicks against' and '50m penalties' compare to his team mates?


Two rounds ago, Fev had given away the most free kicks of any carlton player (44 i think), Carrazzo and Waite were not too far behind.

Was really disappointed to see Fev rub the ball in gibson's face after he took a mark. Arrogant and disrespectful. Would not have argued if the ball got taken off him, not because it breaks any obvious rules, but purely because it is just a thing of poor character to do.

Also seen Buddy do it. I think there a many parallels between buddy and fev, both spearheads, but both are ungracious and too often show poor body language towards teammates when something doesnt go their way.

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If anyone wants to raise the defence for umpires that they wont give free kicks for players because they give them lip etc - then I dont wont to hear any crap from umpires who constantly defend there poor performance with the "we call it as we see it"crap.
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The most disappointing aspect of the Fev 50 was that it just gave Robert Walls another excuse to bag him. No apology was forthcoming when they found out Fev had done nothing wrong(via Scott Cummings on the boundary).
I know Wallsy's a club legend, but his attacks on Fev are becoming like Fatprick Smith's on Big Dick!

Get over it Wobert! :wink:

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