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Will you invade the ground if Fev gets the ton?
Yes 42%  42%  [ 38 ]
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home and away I support it, finals I don't.


I have great memories of running on the grounds after wins, I would have loved to have experienced the joy of running on for 100 goals also, the problem is that back then people were on and then straight off, now we would have heaps of people that probably don't support either team running out to be flower.


it may be a home and away game for the blues when fev kicks his tonne

but wouldnt you consider this game to be a very crucial moment for blues as we may need all our players to beat the hawks and to make the finals..

you wouldnt want anyone injured coming out of that game unnecessarily would you....

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Fair enough sentiment - but again, where are the precedents?

I know that it possibly *could* happen - but then we may as well ban punters from doing the coin toss before the game, because they *could* possibly slip up in the centre square and sue the AFL.

I know there is a difference in the examples - but hopefully you get my point. People have run out onto the ground just to celebrate with their team, it hasn't been an issue in the past - but in a world of cotton wool and public liability organisations like the AFL will do anything to over-sanitise to keep their insurance premiums down... and I think it's bullshit.


Isn't player safety the issue?

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dane wrote:
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home and away I support it, finals I don't.


I have great memories of running on the grounds after wins, I would have loved to have experienced the joy of running on for 100 goals also, the problem is that back then people were on and then straight off, now we would have heaps of people that probably don't support either team running out to be flower.


it may be a home and away game for the blues when fev kicks his tonne

but wouldnt you consider this game to be a very crucial moment for blues as we may need all our players to beat the hawks and to make the finals..

you wouldnt want anyone injured coming out of that game unnecessarily would you....

cheers
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Fair enough sentiment - but again, where are the precedents?

I know that it possibly *could* happen - but then we may as well ban punters from doing the coin toss before the game, because they *could* possibly slip up in the centre square and sue the AFL.

I know there is a difference in the examples - but hopefully you get my point. People have run out onto the ground just to celebrate with their team, it hasn't been an issue in the past - but in a world of cotton wool and public liability organisations like the AFL will do anything to over-sanitise to keep their insurance premiums down... and I think it's bullshit.


Isn't player safety the issue?


Player safety has to be considered in all this specially so close to seasons end ..

And sparkyblue it really hasnt got anything to do with the insurance premiums going up or down...

the fact is not are we the crowd putting players in dangers but we are putting the crowd in danger as well of injury.

Another issue i have even if the players didnt recieve injury through crowds running onto the ground but players have stopped while security and police evacuate the centre ground players have cooled down and risk injury again as their bodies have cooled....

play would be at least stopped for 10 minutes or so

I feel more a standing ovation would be far better in this situation both Buddy franklin and Fev will notice that people congratulate there achievements with kicking the magical 100...

much safer and no one gets hurt and play doesnt have to stop and players dont have to worry about cooling down and having to worry of warming up once again

a standing ovation may not look as good as 5000 people running onto the ground but its better then not recognising the achievement


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Look, I'm not saying that there isn't a chance of injury to spectators - or to players either during the run onto the ground or following it.

But with no previous incidents to justify banning this tradition it comes across as the AFL (with the current administration in my opinion butchering the game enough) putting to bed things that make our game great and unique.

And yes, I know that it shouldn't take an injury to a player or spectator in order to stop a potentially dangerous, time-honored tradition - but where do the sensible ideas stop and the panicky, knee-jerk actions begin?!


We allow moves like this, and yes I'm perhaps embellishing a little - but soon or later it will finish with the umpires wearing shoulder pads, the boundary fences being padded with pillows and us supporters watching the game from behind a 6 metre cyclone fence - (just like the cricket in India).


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Im not an invader.

I am Darth Vader, I will suck the life out of the Dawks that day.


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SparkyBlue wrote:
Look, I'm not saying that there isn't a chance of injury to spectators - or to players either during the run onto the ground or following it.

But with no previous incidents to justify banning this tradition it comes across as the AFL (with the current administration in my opinion butchering the game enough) putting to bed things that make our game great and unique.

And yes, I know that it shouldn't take an injury to a player or spectator in order to stop a potentially dangerous, time-honored tradition - but where do the sensible ideas stop and the panicky, knee-jerk actions begin?!


We allow moves like this, and yes I'm perhaps embellishing a little - but soon or later it will finish with the umpires wearing shoulder pads, the boundary fences being padded with pillows and us supporters watching the game from behind a 6 metre cyclone fence - (just like the cricket in India).


i think again you have missed the point.
all that is being said is that in endangers players, holds the game up and ultimately doesn't add anything to the game.

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SparkyBlue wrote:
Look, I'm not saying that there isn't a chance of injury to spectators - or to players either during the run onto the ground or following it.

But with no previous incidents to justify banning this tradition it comes across as the AFL (with the current administration in my opinion butchering the game enough) putting to bed things that make our game great and unique.

And yes, I know that it shouldn't take an injury to a player or spectator in order to stop a potentially dangerous, time-honored tradition - but where do the sensible ideas stop and the panicky, knee-jerk actions begin?!


We allow moves like this, and yes I'm perhaps embellishing a little - but soon or later it will finish with the umpires wearing shoulder pads, the boundary fences being padded with pillows and us supporters watching the game from behind a 6 metre cyclone fence - (just like the cricket in India).


I understand what ya saying sparkyblue

I also understand the dills we have in afl have changed the game to much i agree...

but i just fear for our players in the hope they do not get hurt..

the thing is in both your view and my view it is a catch 22 situation

both views can lead to having a cycone fence being put up around the ground and is something i never want to see

so a players get injured as crowds enter ground as a long known tradition and now the afl is going to erect cyclone fence to prevent this happening again

or

afl erects a 6m fence due to the fear of crowds jumping the fence and running on to the ground

I just believe if we stay behind the fence and give a standing ovation to fev for kicking 100 is going to prevent the ding bats at afl from taking such action of bringing in such ludicrists rules and fences etc...


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This is the scenario I would love to see:

- Carlton 5 points down
- Fev on 99 goals
- Carlton needs to win to ensure a finals berth
- Fev marks 50m out near the boundary line
- Fev takes an eternity to line up for goal just to build the tension
- Fev sends the ball sailing over the goal umpire's hat!

That would get me running onto the ground. :-D

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I can see the pros and cons of running onto the ground. I'm not blinded as to the possible repercussions of people rushing the players - and inevitably somebody getting injured...

...but I am one of those romantic traditionalists that often (rightly or wrongly) discount the potential problems in order to be able to live out what may well constitute a dream - being just one of many adoring fans of a potential Carlton great, surrounding him during the moment he writes his name into the record books...


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it would be nice to think that it could be just a whole bunch of kids that got to run onto the ground. unfortunately, its gonna be a whole bunch of morons who have got no intention of celebrating the 100th goal. just an excuse to run onto the ground and be knobs. however unlikely it may be, if some moronic fan sees it as a way to get their own team across the line by taking out an opposition player... that would be a disaster for football.

still can't see them stopping it from happening. i just hope like hell both the clubs and the AFL have come up with a strategy for protecting the players for when and if either buddy or fev make the ton

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Let's face it, most of them will be drug addicts. The number of syringes and bongs left strewn across the field after the crowd invasion will be a clear and present danger for the players out on that field.

I can't let that happen, I won't let that happen and I can't let that happen.

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Jarusa wrote:
Let's face it, most of them will be drug addicts. The number of syringes and bongs left strewn across the field after the crowd invasion will be a clear and present danger for the players out on that field.

I can't let that happen, I won't let that happen and I can't let that happen.


They'll no doubt be single mums ripping off taxpayers having babies just to get the baby bonus, welfare cheats, dodgy builders and overweight teens.

Dreadful, the lot of 'em!

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Id do it if Fev kicks his 100th after the siren to put us itno the 8 8)


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I will Run, but won't be able to jump the Fence, my hammies will just Blow up :cry: :cry:



I think we should worry about it next year. Fev won't reach the Ton this year


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even though i am against running onto the field

if i was going to do it i would have had to start weeks ago to even remotely have a chance of getting close to Fev in rd 22... i prooly get to where he was a week later in the first final... :-D :-D


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Hmm the AFL ban is against fans running onto the ground, so they should have no problem when I abseil from the rafters of Telstra Dome!!


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Hmm the AFL ban is against fans running onto the ground, so they should have no problem when I abseil from the rafters of Telstra Dome!!


Just make sure it gets on YouTube

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yes but only if it doesn't involve poland :shock:

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