Your argument is flawed cos you said "i dont think he will get picked up anywhere esle"......you dont know.. thats why you said "i dont think"... but you use that as the crux to your flawed argument....to dispell somebody elses....

next time... think!!!!

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at this stage I see setanta as a depth player only - developing in the ants until he gets better in his reading of the play or if injuries hit our primary KP defenders (thornton, bower, austin, jamison). At his current level setanta deserves to be on the list for another season or two as we develop other players coming through (ie picked up thrugh this draft etc)

Your argument is flawed cos you said "i dont think he will get picked up anywhere esle"......you dont know.. thats why you said "i dont think"... but you use that as the crux to your flawed argument....to dispell somebody elses....

next time... think!!!!

What he said!!

For those who think our back six is settled please grab a copy of the first Richmond game and watch Jamison struggle, grab a copy of the Freo game and watch Pavlich dominate while Setanta was off the ground (injured) and Waite was on him and if your still not convinced watch Kosi and Riewoldt treat our backmen with distain under the high ball.

Not mentioning of course the games when Setanta dominated his opponent and left his man on numerous ocaissions to spoil at a contest when another of our "settled" backmen was hopelessly undersized.

I think that we are flogging a dead horse here and I agree that the only thing Setanta (and his brother) can do is force their way in through hard work and performance in the Ants, but it pi$$es me off when we have other senior players being automatically selected when they are constantly named in our worst six.

One Irish man has packed his bags and gone home
One Irish man was dropped and hurt his calf and is out for 2-3 weeks
One Irish man is playing in the thirds and has been on the list for 4 years and the only thing he had to learn was jump and tap and he would have been a regular in the first .


Big question is will there be any Irishman next year - I doubt it

I agree with that.....................i have been critical of Setanta in the past but i think he has improved out of site. I reckon he is a far better player i thought he would be at CHB.Reckon it is his ideal position.I reckon he was extremely hard done by to get dropped.
I reckon we have our very own "Crazy horse" Gary Cowten in the Big Setant.

P.S.Gary Cowten was a CHB for the Roos in the seventies.Cowten was a wild and woollie player who was completelly unpredictable.Even his own teamates didnt have a clue what he was doing or where he was going.But Cowten turned out to be a great player who got the job done.Nearly always beat his man..................just like our very own Setanta.

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I must admit I'm surprised to read so many positive posts on the big Irish man! Not because I don't think he's any good...quite the contrary, but because so many on this site seem to have it in for him!

I admit I'd be gutted if we got rid of him!! As for Aisake I don't know but why would you promote someone to the senior list and never even give them atleast a run?? For that matter I've often wondered what would have happened if we persisted with playing Setanta in the ruck like we were doing last year when Cloke was out injured? I think he handled himself well, but as usual people bag him and say he'll never make it... there are a lot of players on our list who are apparently the second coming, but don't seem to show as much passion, determination and courage as Setanta does week in, week out!

Hartlett's the answer up forward apparently, but can't even get on the field, and if it wasn't for a gimme goal yesterday, would barely have had a touch of the footy. Austin (although I like what I see) is already the missing link in the backline (according to some) yet has only played one game this year... and others repeatedly manage games even though they make the same mistakes week in week out (Russell, Fisher).

Its good to see so much support for Setanta, and its true he does seem to be the type of player who polarises Blues supporters and opposition supporters alike, but after watching the lad since he first came to the club, I'm not sure if I could imagine him giving up!

Go blues and go Setanta!!!!

p.s: to the nob Carlton supporter at the game yesterday who was abusing Tadgh Kennelly in front of his five year old son, calling him an Irish *so&so* etc etc, in much less polite terms, (whom my mother abused for racial vilification, after which he shut up) - don't go to the footy if all you can dish up is spite you tool!

...well constructed argument there.







Of all the players currently not playing in the firsts (aside from injury), Setanta is by far the most capable of the lot... for a guy that picked up the oval ball 3 or 4 odd years ago that isn't a bad effort - and if you haven't seen improvement since early last year you are clearly blind...

He's a 200cm , mobile , KPP who can play both ends of the ground if needsd , loves Carlton and has a red-hot go every time . There are at least 10 others on the list who should go before him . If he is cut from the list this year I and many others I suspect will be very disappointed . And I reckon a few other clubs would pick him up in the PSD . [ Sydney for instance . Put him on their HB line with Keneally and he'd be very hard to beat . ] ..................... We bloody need him !!!!

Spot on!!!

Would you like our blokes playing AGAINST him next year?

According to SEN this morning (Andrew Maher i think) Setanta has been given a few weeks off to think about things. If that is correct there has obviously been some internal friction, relating to more than form or fitness. Hopefully it is just SEN load though.

READ what I said again before making moronic posts. I said that I don't think we will get rid of him,

apologise when you learn how to.

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Think about what?

How Russell and others are constantly playing shit football but are continually picked but he's dropped like a sack of irish potatoes at the smallest sign of a clanger?

It's really dissapointing because last year, i witnessed one of the greatest athletes i've ever seen developing at an alarming rate in Aisakie and was positive he'd be a starter for round 1 in the ruck. This kid did some special stuff that was just jaw dropping to watch.
Now?..................... he's be thrown to the shit pile.

I spoke to Jordan Bannister a few weeks back (really nice guy actually) and told him i was a big fan of the Irish boys and even HE said that Aisakie is a freak athlete.

Setanta has more heart than alot of people on our list, but he is being poorly handled by the MC.

We were desperate for him against the Saints game,.............but to prove a point, he was dropped. Quite dissapointing to see somebody who tries so hard and gives so much on match day to be dropped only to see HALF-ASSED efforts and SUB-PAR kicking from about half-a-dozen others go seemingly un-noticed by the same people responsible for dropping Setanta.

Setanta is a great kick because he hasn't gotten lazy. Fishers kicking at goal is exactly what Setanta is working so hard to avoid............... a Lazy kicking style.

Setanta has made 2 or 3 silly silly mistakes this year.............for example........................the 2 un-sucssesful spoils he made in the Essendon* game that ended up in goals. But, he's intentions were right..... he was trying to punch the ball through for a rushed behind. How does Jordan Russell explain his handballs directly to the opposistion player just 20mtrs out from goal? Or his un-contested dropped mark? Or his return of 2 goals from 12 attempts?


I don't know what is going on behind the scenes.............maybe Setanta is a hard one to deal with. But either way, if i was in his shoes, i'd be a tough prick to deal with to. Poor guy is probably so frustrated as all hell. I sympathise with him.

Fix the bloody problem.

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not prone to exageration are you?


Thankfully most AFL players don't have your attitude and understand the concept of team and individual.

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No mate. That's the thing.............. i aint kidding. He's a phenomonal athlete with endless posibilities.

He's got pace, a huge leap, good upper body strength, and an uncanny-6th sense type awareness that at times caused me to laugh and think "How the bloody hell did he do that". It wasn't just during games, it was just watching him train............. was just so exciting.

His ability to win the taps was out-standing. We just had to work on him directing them correctly........... but he was winning em!

Now, watching him this year, he just looks as if he doesn't give a shit!

I', aware that he's probably very stubborn and doesn't take criticism well (you should see how nuts he goes at the slightest banter from an opposistion player).

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The problem is with them Ryan they are not good enough

When you spoke to Bannister did you ask him about Russel -as Russell is the new Bannister - early last year bannister was everyones whipping boy first one selected to be delisted now he is not that title goes to Russell

We are crying out for a big ruckman we are crying out for a big solid defender every man and his dog can see this - If these blokes were good enough they would be playing - So put the conspiracy theory to bed - If he has been told to go away and get his head straight maybe he needs it but the simple fact of the matter is neither of them are playing consistantly good football to warrant automatic selection each week . Russell has obviously been given a role to do - on the weekend it was shut down Kennelly- Kennelly had 14 touches - not a bad job - Russell is not going to beat his opponent every week but I would say keeping the swans key link defender to 14 touches wasn't a bad job .

What setanta was ginven to do by the coaching staff I have no idea but obviously in their eyes it wasn't good enough - And as for Aisake he only has to jump and tap and he would get a game but obviously he is not doing that either as he is third string ruckman and can't make the bullants

I do understand the concept of team.................and if a teammember is not pulling his weight and is letting the team down, sadly he must be dropped. Plain and simple really.

Don't know why you wanna make this a personal thing with me KK? I'm making an argument on why Setanta may feel frustrated with the club and your coming out with a personal attacking view like that?

Strange?

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Dissagree with this. He can jump and can tap.............. he's just never been given the opportunity and now, he doesn't care.

Poor way to handle the situation from Aisakie............maybe! But he can certainly play ruck!

He's playing in the thirds because he is not liked. Plain and simple.

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The two of them need to HTFU, you would think they were English (whingers) rather then Irish.

Moving forward we need people that put the team first rather then the individual.

Do you think Chris Judd would allow a situation to develop where players aren't getting picked because of some sort of bullshit conspiracy?

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Ryan - Ratts came out on the weekend and stated we concede 38 hit outs a game - If this bloke could win the hit outs with our current midfield he would be playing - no doubt about it - and another thing the recruiters will go all out to find a developed ruckman come trade time this year - you can bet on it - Clokes days are numbered - Ackland is gone- Jacobs Kruezer and Hampson are two to three years off - Aisake been on the list for 4 years he is almost 23 he should be showing something and with our current ruck situation should be playing every week -

Did you at any stage watch Aisakie in the Ruck last year or early this season?

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