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Play Kreuzer, Hampson and Jacobs at the same time!!

Kreuzer daoen't need a rest from the seniors, he needs a rest on the interchange bench (rotated), or played forward; give him time to gel in the forwardline, because he isn't going to do that in the Ants.

Jacobs and Hammer can rotate in the ruck.

There's no reason why those 2 can't be given stints in the forwardline either.

They all can kick goals; Hammer and Kreuzer have done it in the seniors.

Develop them!! Find out more about Jacobs. The last 3 200cm ruckmen playing in the rserves and rookie listed have ended in the scrap heap; Jacobs has shown more than all of them.

We may not snag an experienced 200+cm ruckman as we hope in the trade period, and don't need a young one from the draft; we have two good ones to develop on our list.

Finally, everyone is realising the importance of having a competitive ruck division (includes back up ruckmen too).

Can Stop the Knock of head on Wall.....nah, seeing is believing.

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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
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Play Hampson
Promote jacobs
Play them in tandem

Just do it


Agree......


Yup, and Kreuzer up forward.


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Play Kreuzer, Hampson and Jacobs at the same time!!

Kreuzer daoen't need a rest from the seniors, he needs a rest on the interchange bench (rotated), or played forward; give him time to gel in the forwardline, because he isn't going to do that in the Ants.

Jacobs and Hammer can rotate in the ruck.


I'm with you Bondi....also I think that Bentick has to go. On a number of occasions yesterday the footy was tapped to his advantage but he didn't have the skills to capitalise.
Carazzo can take his place in the middle until Hadley returns whilst Browne/Armfield can play the back pocket role.

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I thought Hampson was quite poor on Saturday for the Ants

Jacobs should be looked at instead


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Agree with SprkyBlue . It is not a good to play Hammer or Jacobs in AFL this year . They are not up to it physically for a start and getting hammered by stronger , more experienced blokes will do nothing to help their development . The best ruckmen running around today all had a good amount of development time in lower grades before coming up to AFL . If we can get an experienced ruckman for a late draft [ie King last year ] , get him . Just for 2 years or so . It will pay off big time , down the track a bit . We've seen Hammer play a few games this year and he's been out of his depth .


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Play Sam Jacobs as the club has to decide whether to promote him off the rookie list at years end as you can only spend 2 years on the rookie list and this is his 2nd year.....Jamierson will no doubt be elevated off the rookie list at years end......

Jacobs has a big body...the only thing with Sammy is he may be a bit slow around the ground but no harm in giving him a go....


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Can we even play Jacobs if he is on the Rookie List as he needs to be elevated for LTI player and we don't have anyone at this stage that fits that criteria.

I think we may have missed the boat on this with him.

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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing & expecting a different result.

This must apply to our ruck division this year?

These last 6 weeks are crucial to our team structure for next year & getting a good look at Hampson should be a priority.

Rotate Kuezer & Cloke through the forward line to help out down there, or drop one of them to make way.

We've got some good quality opposition over the remainder of the season, so it's a good chance to see what he's got.


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kreuze and hampson for me. i'd probs give jacobs a few games. cloke to the ants.

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Sticks4 wrote:
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing & expecting a different result


:-D
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We have no need to 'look at' Hampson this year. He has singed on for 3 more years at the Blues, so just continue to develop him in the two's.

We do need to have a look at Jacobs though, unless a decision has already been made.


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For the rest of the year Ratten has to sort a few things out.

1. If Cloke is to play next year his only chance is CHF. We struggle there why not give him a chance, he is NOT a ruckman.

2. Jacobs needs to be given a decent go. Was better than Hampson at the weekend and deserves a chance.

3. Hampson needs a few more games under his belt so needs to play. We can't do any worse.

4. Kruezer has been awesome for one so young. I would play him FF for the rest of the season (maybe a game off) and make him a target. Fev can play pocket or HF.

Never been a better time! Unleash the kids, it will give us an idea whether we need to recruit a mature ruckman over the pre season.


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klakker wrote

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It is not a good to play Hammer or Jacobs in AFL this year . They are not up to it physically for a start and getting hammered by stronger , more experienced blokes will do nothing to help their development


I understand, but there's only 6 weeks; it's not for 22 rounds. The season is gone; unleash them. It wont kill them; we've got nothing to lose and they have everything to gain from the experience.

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These last 6 weeks are crucial to our team structure for next year & getting a good look at Hampson should be a priority.

Rotate Kuezer & Cloke through the forward line to help out down there, or drop one of them to make way.

We've got some good quality opposition over the remainder of the season, so it's a good chance to see what he's got.


Exactly!

And if anything goes wrong, bring in Cloke. But with 3 of them rotating, I think they could give 100% effort in shorter bursts and give more to the team effort than what we're getting from playing Kreuzer in the ruck 50% of the time and the more sluggish (Cloke) doing the other 50%.

We do give our classsy midfield a better view of the future and better supply than we have; we owe them that.

Have a look, Juddy wins his ball through hard tough clearances; then think Murhs, Gibbs, Simmo, Scotland, Stevens, Carrazzo and Hadley will be back soon. Lets feed them or give them a 50/50 chance from our taller ruckmen. Give them some relief, not the ruckmen.

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For the rest of the year Ratten has to sort a few things out.

1. If Cloke is to play next year his only chance is CHF. We struggle there why not give him a chance, he is NOT a ruckman.

2. Jacobs needs to be given a decent go. Was better than Hampson at the weekend and deserves a chance.

3. Hampson needs a few more games under his belt so needs to play. We can't do any worse.

4. Kruezer has been awesome for one so young. I would play him FF for the rest of the season (maybe a game off) and make him a target. Fev can play pocket or HF.

Never been a better time! Unleash the kids, it will give us an idea whether we need to recruit a mature ruckman over the pre season.


And that's from a bloke whose seen alot of them this year. You prved your point.

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Jacobs is still a rookie anyway . What has to be done to give him a chance ?? We can't just bring him straight in can we ?


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That's what I keep thinking klakker.

My guess is that only an LTI will open a spot for Jacobs.

Honestly, I can't see where that'll come from, let alone Ratts dropping the courageous (albeit short) Cloke for an unproven rookie listed ruckman.

Worth discussing though.

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I don't think there will be an oportunity for Jacobs to get a game this year & there really isn't a need to rush him in.

Jacobs is the one who signed a new contract & is the one the club is looking to develop over the next three years.


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when did Jacobs sign a contract? Jammo is the rookie who signed for 3 years. Hampson also signed for another 3 years. Sam can be promoted as we have no veterans, therefore we are allowed 2 nominated rookies. Jammo is one. We haven't nominated another one. Ellard got a run for the long term injured Houlihan.

I reckon the big sauce deserves his shot. Cloke has been gradually dropping away as the season has worn on. he has given his all, but there's been some very ordinary turnovers recently. and costly ones at that. directly responsible for a goal in the third quarter again on sunday.

Give Jacobs a go at senior level. He certainly couldn't do any worse and he may just show us that he has what is needed.

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Sticks4 wrote:
I don't think there will be an oportunity for Jacobs to get a game this year & there really isn't a need to rush him in.

Jacobs is the one who signed a new contract & is the one the club is looking to develop over the next three years.


Sorry...meant Hampson signed a new contract. :oops:


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Play Sam Jacobs as the club has to decide whether to promote him off the rookie list at years end as you can only spend 2 years on the rookie list and this is his 2nd year.....Jamierson will no doubt be elevated off the rookie list at years end......

Jacobs has a big body...the only thing with Sammy is he may be a bit slow around the ground but no harm in giving him a go....

I think the rules have been changed and clubs can have one player on the rookie list for 3 years.


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"Move" someone onto the long term injury list.
Then we can elevate Jacobs & see if we still want him at the end of the year.

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