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Synbad - I've accepted that the club will do its utmost to retain Fev YEARS ago so if he signs with the club then great. Provided Fev puts in the required effort (chasing/tackling) then I'm more than happy to provide my full support to him as a CFC player.

Fev might not be lappin but he should be expected to try to live up to his standards.


Yeah he needs to be "more like Lance so the kids can learn from him"

lol - get over yourself. Lance is no longer a listed player on the CFC.

According to you - the previous coach was the best thing since sliced bread, collins was the man to save the club, the dome move was fantastic, angwin/kenna etc were the saviours, justin longmuir was a done deal etc etc etc


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Don't get sidetracked you two......topic is Fev and his unsigned contract.


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Synbad - I've accepted that the club will do its utmost to retain Fev YEARS ago so if he signs with the club then great. Provided Fev puts in the required effort (chasing/tackling) then I'm more than happy to provide my full support to him as a CFC player.

Fev might not be lappin but he should be expected to try to live up to his standards.


Yeah he needs to be "more like Lance so the kids can learn from him"

lol - get over yourself. Lance is no longer a listed player on the CFC.

According to you - the previous coach was the best thing since sliced bread, collins was the man to save the club, the dome move was fantastic, angwin/kenna etc were the saviours, justin longmuir was a done deal etc etc etc


No we should have stayed at Princes Park....

:lol:


Get over myself???... get real!!!

Youve been all over Fev for years.. but hes been one of our shining lights... sure noone says he is perfect.. sometimes you take the good with the bad...

But there are not many players that bring to the table what Fev does,,,

Entertainment.. special elite talent... goalkicking power.. and marketability....

.. and yes there is sometimes a doiwnside....

Fev wont leave... the contract wiol probably not be signed today.. r tomorrow.... but he has no intentions of leaving.. and the club want him and BELIEVE he aint going...

so i dont know what the fuss is all about....

and yes McKinley wouldnt make one iota difference to how we go next year....!!!

He is a periferal player... and there are plenty of those... he aint a backbone player....

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Synbad wrote:
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Synbad - I've accepted that the club will do its utmost to retain Fev YEARS ago so if he signs with the club then great. Provided Fev puts in the required effort (chasing/tackling) then I'm more than happy to provide my full support to him as a CFC player.

Fev might not be lappin but he should be expected to try to live up to his standards.


Yeah he needs to be "more like Lance so the kids can learn from him"

lol - get over yourself. Lance is no longer a listed player on the CFC.

According to you - the previous coach was the best thing since sliced bread, collins was the man to save the club, the dome move was fantastic, angwin/kenna etc were the saviours, justin longmuir was a done deal etc etc etc


No we should have stayed at Princes Park....

Ahhh... but you fully know that I have NEVER stated that we should have stayed at PP. I also said at the time that the way the deal was constructed stunk and that we shoud hold out for/try to negotiate a better option.

Tying ourselves into a reasonably long contract where we only make 25k profit on a game where we draw 40k when other clubs are making 2-300k is a shit contract.

Have a look at the financial data that has been reported and you would have seen that the upfront $$$ was never any real money that went to the club - only to pay off broken contracts.

But of course the dome move was fantastic wasnt it? :roll:

Re Fev, I've already said that I expect Fev so you ranting that he is expected to stay doesnt really change my opinion.

On Mckinley - no way of knowing unless we picked him up. Neither you nor I have any control over that regardless of how much we debate his worth as a player. I will make you a bet though given your comparisons to adrian macadam. McKinley will kick 30+ goals more than a couple of times in his career.


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Yeah so yu didnt want to stay at PP... but you wanted to negotiate the MCG???

But we werent really in a position to negotiate from strength if i remember correctly....

So now that we are...... im sure we will....

But at the time we wernt... so we couldnt.....


So what youre saying is we should trade to get McKinley cos he might (you or i dont know if hes going to be any good- i think thats what you just said....) be any good???

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and yes McKinley wouldnt make one iota difference to how we go next year....!!!


but Darren Pfeiffer will


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Yeah so yu didnt want to stay at PP... but you wanted to negotiate the MCG???

But we werent really in a position to negotiate from strength if i remember correctly....

So now that we are...... im sure we will....

But at the time we wernt... so we couldnt.....




Finding out we get such a shitte deal at Docklands has really impacted on my desire to go to that ground - especially when it is written into the contract that the rich blokes down the street - Essendon* - get the best deal no matter what.

F****k that.. .Play as many matches at the MCG. That is the answer.


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4thchicken wrote:
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4thchicken wrote:
Synbad wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Tying ourselves into a reasonably long contract where we only make 25k profit on a game where we draw 40k when other clubs are making 2-300k is a shit contract.

Have a look at the financial data that has been reported and you would have seen that the upfront $$$ was never any real money that went to the club - only to pay off broken contracts.

But of course the dome move was fantastic wasnt it? :roll:



Where do you get the financial data?

Is it true that we only make about 25 k on a 40,000 crowd at Docklands?
That can't be right.

What are the exact figures?


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Synbad wrote:
Yeah so yu didnt want to stay at PP... but you wanted to negotiate the MCG???

But we werent really in a position to negotiate from strength if i remember correctly....

So now that we are...... im sure we will....

But at the time we wernt... so we couldnt.....


So what youre saying is we should trade to get McKinley cos he might (you or i dont know if hes going to be any good- i think thats what you just said....) be any good???


We didnt need to move immediately - could have easily stayed at PP for an extra year or so as we negotiated a better deal (mix of games, financial compo etc). There was nothing that forced us to move immediately except for the self interest/incompetence of some.

Mckinley - I expect him to be good and thats why I'd be happy to trade our second round pick for him. What I said is that there is no way of knowing what impact he has on our team unless he was actually traded for - otherwise its all hypothetical. No different to any of the other names that have been mentioned in the recruitment threads (thorpe, warnock, etc)


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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Synbad wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Synbad wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Tying ourselves into a reasonably long contract where we only make 25k profit on a game where we draw 40k when other clubs are making 2-300k is a shit contract.

Have a look at the financial data that has been reported and you would have seen that the upfront $$$ was never any real money that went to the club - only to pay off broken contracts.

But of course the dome move was fantastic wasnt it? :roll:



Where do you get the financial data?

Is it true that we only make about 25 k on a 40,000 crowd at Docklands?

What are the exact figures?

financial data was referring to profit/loss and cashflow figures released from year to year at the time of the move which didnt add up when it came to the multimillion $$ payout which we allegedly received as an incentive to move (as the administration of the time sold it to members).

In terms of the dome figures

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The Blues recently drew 38,675 to their round eight game against the Brisbane Lions, but it is understood to have received only modest returns from that game — a fraction of what anchor tenant Essendon* and Collingwood would receive for the same turnout.

The Magpies, who play only two home games at Telstra Dome this season, are believed to be guaranteed $200,000 a home game at the Dome, regardless of the crowd. Essendon* has the best arrangement of all clubs at the Dome, with a clause in its contract stipulating that no club can receive a better deal.


Assuming the AFL paid the Blues the same $400,000 for a Carrara game that it has given North Melbourne, the return could be more than 10 times what Carlton would receive for the same match at its primary home ground.


Not exactly 25k but given $400k is more than 10 times what we'd receive for a dome game against an interstate side the figure I put out from memory (apologies for that) but itwasnt that far off ie if it were
11 times = 36k return/match
12 times = 33k return/match
13 times = 30.7k return/match

The actual return we get from TD would probably also be dependant upon the crowd size. If the crowd was 33k instead of 38k quoted in the figure then I'd imagine that we would make significantly less


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Its getting off topic here a bit but what Chicken is saying is that Synbad is not always right. He gets a lot of things wrong but puts his points out there with vigour and a few of his fans take what he says as fact.

I enjoy reading Synbads stuff but take it with a grain of salt.

I agree with Synbad and Chicken, i reckon fev will sign shortly. It will be a big deal like Kouta's contract. I hope he doesnt get injured straight away though. If so he will get labelled selfish for not earning his money.


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4thchicken wrote:
1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Synbad wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Synbad wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Tying ourselves into a reasonably long contract where we only make 25k profit on a game where we draw 40k when other clubs are making 2-300k is a shit contract.

Have a look at the financial data that has been reported and you would have seen that the upfront $$$ was never any real money that went to the club - only to pay off broken contracts.

But of course the dome move was fantastic wasnt it? :roll:



Where do you get the financial data?

Is it true that we only make about 25 k on a 40,000 crowd at Docklands?

What are the exact figures?

financial data was referring to profit/loss and cashflow figures released from year to year at the time of the move which didnt add up when it came to the multimillion $$ payout which we allegedly received as an incentive to move (as the administration of the time sold it to members).

In terms of the dome figures

Quote:
The Blues recently drew 38,675 to their round eight game against the Brisbane Lions, but it is understood to have received only modest returns from that game — a fraction of what anchor tenant Essendon* and Collingwood would receive for the same turnout.

The Magpies, who play only two home games at Telstra Dome this season, are believed to be guaranteed $200,000 a home game at the Dome, regardless of the crowd. Essendon* has the best arrangement of all clubs at the Dome, with a clause in its contract stipulating that no club can receive a better deal.


Assuming the AFL paid the Blues the same $400,000 for a Carrara game that it has given North Melbourne, the return could be more than 10 times what Carlton would receive for the same match at its primary home ground.


Not exactly 25k but given $400k is more than 10 times what we'd receive for a dome game against an interstate side the figure I put out from memory (apologies for that) but itwasnt that far off ie if it were
11 times = 36k return/match
12 times = 33k return/match
13 times = 30.7k return/match

The actual return we get from TD would probably also be dependant upon the crowd size. If the crowd was 33k instead of 38k quoted in the figure then I'd imagine that we would make significantly less



Even if it is $40,000 that we are getting while Essendon* get presumably over $200,000 no matter what (as it would have to have beaten Collingwood's payment)... well that is a disgrace.

I didn't mind going to Docklands prior to this information, but it has impacted on my readiness to go to that ground. I really can't stand seeing Essendon* gets over 5 times what we get.


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you guys are pretty funny - ive saidit about 5 times - your all gonna lok very silly soon

and it may be much sooner rather than later

you can all start signing the apology card to brendan now

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you guys are pretty funny - ive saidit about 5 times - your all gonna lok very silly soon

and it may be much sooner rather than later

you can all start signing the apology card to brendan now


Dear Brendan,

I'm not signing this card because I never doubted you or grrofunger or Synbad for a second.

Yours truly,
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Grooffunger, I believe you, but when ????????

What about Murphy ?


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4thchicken wrote:
1979 Norm Smith medal wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Synbad wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Synbad wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Tying ourselves into a reasonably long contract where we only make 25k profit on a game where we draw 40k when other clubs are making 2-300k is a shit contract.

Have a look at the financial data that has been reported and you would have seen that the upfront $$$ was never any real money that went to the club - only to pay off broken contracts.

But of course the dome move was fantastic wasnt it? :roll:



Where do you get the financial data?

Is it true that we only make about 25 k on a 40,000 crowd at Docklands?

What are the exact figures?

financial data was referring to profit/loss and cashflow figures released from year to year at the time of the move which didnt add up when it came to the multimillion $$ payout which we allegedly received as an incentive to move (as the administration of the time sold it to members).

In terms of the dome figures

Quote:
The Blues recently drew 38,675 to their round eight game against the Brisbane Lions, but it is understood to have received only modest returns from that game — a fraction of what anchor tenant Essendon* and Collingwood would receive for the same turnout.

The Magpies, who play only two home games at Telstra Dome this season, are believed to be guaranteed $200,000 a home game at the Dome, regardless of the crowd. Essendon* has the best arrangement of all clubs at the Dome, with a clause in its contract stipulating that no club can receive a better deal.


Assuming the AFL paid the Blues the same $400,000 for a Carrara game that it has given North Melbourne, the return could be more than 10 times what Carlton would receive for the same match at its primary home ground.


Not exactly 25k but given $400k is more than 10 times what we'd receive for a dome game against an interstate side the figure I put out from memory (apologies for that) but itwasnt that far off ie if it were
11 times = 36k return/match
12 times = 33k return/match
13 times = 30.7k return/match

The actual return we get from TD would probably also be dependant upon the crowd size. If the crowd was 33k instead of 38k quoted in the figure then I'd imagine that we would make significantly less



yess chicken..but like i keep saying if you understand negotiations... any kind of negotiations... you negotiate from strength.... we didnt have any...

yes???

Like you can pretend all you like but we were BROKE!!!!

.... and you never get what you want when youre BROKE!!

Try going to a bank for a loan or get credit when you are unemployed... and with a bad credit rating...

Tats what it all boils down to.....

The rest is utter bullshit!!!

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good things happen on fridays :lol: :wink:

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This Friday ?

And is it Fev and Murphy at the same time ? I wish it is........


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Talk about the move to the Dome...IN ANOTHER THREAD!

Talk about to get/or not to get McKinley...IN ANOTHER FORUM!


Talk about Fev's contract here. The one he will be signing shortly.


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what about the rabbitohs coming from behind to win again tonight mrs caz?? in here???


seriously, great try from capewell in extra time.

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