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Its interesting that neither of the 2 Melbourne dailies have run with the story, especially considering there's no footy in Mebourne this weekend and Hutchy writes for one of them.
Fev might have done an Aker and started the story to up his price

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Its interesting that neither of the 2 Melbourne dailies have run with the story, especially considering there's no footy in Mebourne this weekend and Hutchy writes for one of them.
Fev might have done an Aker and started the story to up his price


There's a snippet in The Age at the end of the Lucas/Fletcher article.


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Fev will go down in history as a Carlton Great, possibly in the top 5-10 of all time.......


Please tell me you speak in jest Ryan2000! Fev has absolutely zero chance of being a Carlton great. As good a player as he is and I'd love him to stay - his manager is a priCk and has set this whole scenario up to raise Fev's price.

If Sydney can themselves a top 5 draft pick - I'll take that plus Ed Barlow. It won't happen. Put a bunch of cash on the table in front of Fev - tell him for every week he doesn't sign - 25k disappears from the table.


So Fev can't be classed as a Carlton great because his Manager's a prick and wants to maximise his clients income? Am I understanding that correctly? Where does that leave Kouta?

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Fev will go down in history as a Carlton Great, possibly in the top 5-10 of all time.......


Please tell me you speak in jest Ryan2000! Fev has absolutely zero chance of being a Carlton great. As good a player as he is and I'd love him to stay - his manager is a priCk and has set this whole scenario up to raise Fev's price.

If Sydney can themselves a top 5 draft pick - I'll take that plus Ed Barlow. It won't happen. Put a bunch of cash on the table in front of Fev - tell him for every week he doesn't sign - 25k disappears from the table.


No. I think he will.

To arguee against my own point though, i am only 28 and have only been going to Carlton games for about 12-15 years now, so i never really got to see the TRUE greats such as your Doulls, Jezza's, ect ect ect.

I've only ever seen them in a few old grand final videos my dad had.

But Fevola is a gem............when you can win matches off your own boot, you've hit champion status in my eyes. Not many players can do that, Fev, for all his faults, has managed to do that on at least 6 occasions.

He will finish in the Top 3 (possibly #1) goal kickers in Carltons 100+ year history, with the majority of his goals coming in our 6 darkest years EVER.

He is just our 2nd (?) Coleman medalist ever!

How will he NOT be seen as a Carlton Great, if he isn't already??????

Actually, how you DON'T see him as a Carlton great is confusing to me. Are you saying that because his manager is a prick that he'll never be a Carlton Great??????

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Sounds like oldest trick in the book to me. Fev wants more than is on offer so the big 'Deal' gets spin-doctored out with a carefully placed word in Hutchies ear.

If they think Swanny and Stick will fall for that one they are dreamin'

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It's on the age web site

http://news.realfooty.com.au/sport/fevo ... -31i2.html


Roosy press conference should be interesting

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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
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Fev will go down in history as a Carlton Great, possibly in the top 5-10 of all time.......


Please tell me you speak in jest Ryan2000! Fev has absolutely zero chance of being a Carlton great. As good a player as he is and I'd love him to stay - his manager is a priCk and has set this whole scenario up to raise Fev's price.

If Sydney can themselves a top 5 draft pick - I'll take that plus Ed Barlow. It won't happen. Put a bunch of cash on the table in front of Fev - tell him for every week he doesn't sign - 25k disappears from the table.


So Fev can't be classed as a Carlton great because his Manager's a prick and wants to maximise his clients income? Am I understanding that correctly? Where does that leave Kouta?




I know where it leaves Kouta's and Hamill's ex-manager.

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Sydney Blue wrote:
It's on the age web site

http://news.realfooty.com.au/sport/fevo ... -31i2.html


Roosy press conference should be interesting


Sydney play this weekend and will probably have the standard presser...It would be interesting if the press conference was called "in response" to this story...but I doubt it. At the end of the press conference Roos will be asked and that's the only snippet you'll see on any news service is my guess.

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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
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Fev will go down in history as a Carlton Great, possibly in the top 5-10 of all time.......


Please tell me you speak in jest Ryan2000! Fev has absolutely zero chance of being a Carlton great. As good a player as he is and I'd love him to stay - his manager is a priCk and has set this whole scenario up to raise Fev's price.

If Sydney can themselves a top 5 draft pick - I'll take that plus Ed Barlow. It won't happen. Put a bunch of cash on the table in front of Fev - tell him for every week he doesn't sign - 25k disappears from the table.


No. I think he will.

To arguee against my own point though, i am only 28 and have only been going to Carlton games for about 12-15 years now, so i never really got to see the TRUE greats such as your Doulls, Jezza's, ect ect ect.

I've only ever seen them in a few old grand final videos my dad had.

But Fevola is a gem............when you can win matches off your own boot, you've hit champion status in my eyes. Not many players can do that, Fev, for all his faults, has managed to do that on at least 6 occasions.

He will finish in the Top 3 (possibly #1) goal kickers in Carltons 100+ year history, with the majority of his goals coming in our 6 darkest years EVER.

He is just our 2nd (?) Coleman medalist ever!

How will he NOT be seen as a Carlton Great, if he isn't already??????

Actually, how you DON'T see him as a Carlton great is confusing to me. Are you saying that because his manager is a prick that he'll never be a Carlton Great??????


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I hate the way these negotiations are presented in the media. Of course there's to-ing and fro-ing, it's negotiation. Unless you're managed by Homer Simpson it is going to take a while. I have no doubt a deal will be sorted and Fev will stay.

Hutchy's story is probably spot on. Sydney are going to launch a bid to acquire Fev's services. But that's all it will come to. This "issue" doesn't really deserve a 22 page thread.

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Players don't leave Carlton, Carlton get rid of them. If he isn't worth keeping, Carlton won't keep him.

I love Fevola, the bright light of the past 5 years for our club and a legend in the making. But if he wants to go all Hamill/Koutafides on us, then get rid of him and take what we can get and move forward developing the young kids.

At the end fo the day, he is a mercenary like 99.9% of players in any sport that is professional and therefore should be treated like one in that pay him in reflection to what he adds in value to the club but if Sydney or whoever want to go above and beyond that then let them pay above market value and rort them for all we can (couple of first rounders), what matters is doing best by the Carlton Football Club.

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Guys - seriously...Fev a 'Carlton Great' is a bit much don't you think?

What - am I on 'BigFooty' here? I made no correlation between Fev being a great or not and his manager. There was a full stop (.) between those sentences! Perhaps it should have been a new paragraph.

But calling Fev a 'Carlton Great' is almost laughable. This isn't St.Kilda fellas - this is Carlton. I don't give a rats if you never saw the 'greats' play. Horrie Clover and Soapy Vallence were about 50 years before my time as well - but it doesn't mean you can't do a little history. You don't get called a 'great' at Carlton for playing 3 very good years of footy. Struth - Peter Bosustow would be embarrassed if you called him a Carlton great!

I tell you what - I'll give you something to hang your hats on - he's actually named as my full-forward in the Carlton team of the 21st Century. How's that?


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No deal: Roos denies Fevola contract

Roos clarifies: Swans haven't spoken to Fevola


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You don't get called a 'great' at Carlton for playing 3 very good years of footy. Struth - Peter Bosustow would be embarrassed if you called him a Carlton great!


whatabout WIGGINS!

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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Guys - seriously...Fev a 'Carlton Great' is a bit much don't you think?

What - am I on 'BigFooty' here? I made no correlation between Fev being a great or not and his manager. There was a full stop (.) between those sentences! Perhaps it should have been a new paragraph.

But calling Fev a 'Carlton Great' is almost laughable. This isn't St.Kilda fellas - this is Carlton. I don't give a rats if you never saw the 'greats' play. Horrie Clover and Soapy Vallence were about 50 years before my time as well - but it doesn't mean you can't do a little history. You don't get called a 'great' at Carlton for playing 3 very good years of footy. Struth - Peter Bosustow would be embarrassed if you called him a Carlton great!

I tell you what - I'll give you something to hang your hats on - he's actually named as my full-forward in the Carlton team of the 21st Century. How's that?


Sorry mate, your post was confusing. There might have been a full-stop but it was still in discussion of the argument of Fev being a Carlton great, not his contract.

And no, i don't think it's a bit much. I see Fevola as a Carlton great and if he plays here for another 3-5 years or more, AND he continues to play the way he has this year, he will NO DOUBT in my eyes go down as a Carlton Champion.

I reckon Peter Bosustow will even say the same.

Just my opinion and please don't think that i'm saying your wrong or anything, but i see him as a Carlton Great already...............and if we're lucky, he'll play another 100+ games for the Navy Blue and continue on in the form that he's in.............if that's the case, he will EASILLY go down as a Carlton Champion in the end.

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Here's a question. Would you do a straight swap with Freo - Fev for Pav??

I'd do it in a heartbeat personally - but like the Swans (it'll be West Coast next week won't it Hutchy?) deal - won't happen.


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I hate the way these negotiations are presented in the media. Of course there's to-ing and fro-ing, it's negotiation. Unless you're managed by Homer Simpson it is going to take a while. I have no doubt a deal will be sorted and Fev will stay.

Hutchy's story is probably spot on. Sydney are going to launch a bid to acquire Fev's services. But that's all it will come to. This "issue" doesn't really deserve a 22 page thread.


Spot on Blues87.

Fact - Fevola's contract is up for re-negotiation.

Fact - Fevola has the right to get the best deal he can.

Fact- Other clubs will be interested, and his management will sound out other clubs.

Fact - It was always going to take some time.

The only issue I have with this whole thing is when Fevola opens him mouth about the situation. He has done that a few times (anybody seen J Brown utter one word about his situation?). From what I can tell, last night, he declined to comment (I didn't watch).

My gut feeling is that Fevola doesn't want to go anywhere. But he/his management are doing exactly what they should be doing to get the best deal.

The only other thing he could do better is to recognise that if he gets less, then we have more room to get/keep other players. Doesn't seem as though his head is in that space though.

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Fev is one of the most skillful and damaging players we've seen in recent times, BUT, he should not yet be classified as a 'Carlton Great'.

I agree with Doc that he's got to put together another 3-4 years of quality goal kicking, break the ton and fix his attitude problems. If he does all that he'll be one of the great AFL players of the modern era.

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