Those insipid white jumpers

BlueGunners · **Joined:** Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:16 pm **Posts:** 303

CB if we were to change our colours to black and white, would you care?

in 2001 (ah the gold old days where we used to win games), my high school teacher was the statistics coach for the Blues reservers and sometime did seniors. For a game against Brisbane Lions (the last game they lost for the year). we were playing at optus oval and he was doing the stats for the game, sitting in the box. he offered me and my mates to take us into the rooms. There's me a 16 year old boy holding my flag and my gold fabric pen and started asking all the players to sign it.

I got everyone's signature, and they all signed it. I got the gold pen so that they can sign on the blue because there's more room. Then walks in the big man. Big jack elliot. so i asked for his signature.
He asks me "where do you want me to sign it?"
i said "anywhere"
he said "no son, not anywhere. you never sign on the Blue. the blue is our identity, the blue is our soul and the blue is you, so never put anything over the blue"...so he signs it on the white which you can hardley see with a gold pen.

the reason behind this story is that Peter Dean walk around the media/change room completely naked with not a care in the world who is present.

in all seriousness, big jack was right, and if he was president when the clash jumper was to take place, he would never have changed it.

Melvey · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:59 pm

TheGame wrote:

We need a clash top, that's all that needs to be said.

why?? we seemed to have managed with it over 100 years even when tv was broadcast in black and white

get rid of the white jumper and the white boots our players accessories the wimpy white outfits with. All Houla needs is a set of pearls and he can accompany Jordan Rusel to the brownlow

thehalford · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:52 am **Posts:** 12808

camelboy wrote:

Is it really that big a deal for 5-6 games a year?

I just don't see what the big fuss is, and it has nothing to do with getting with the times, but is just about, well, it doesn't really matter, because I just don't see it as a big deal.

These are the things about the club that I love. In no particular order...

16 Premierships.
One of the traditional "big four" clubs.
Our success (okay, we've been shit lately, but you get my drift).
Being a leader in the game on and off the field (see above).
Kernahan.
Silvagni.
Bradley.
Nicholls.
Lappin/Rice (yes, I love the service these blokes gave our club with the resources their bodies gave them).
Christou-Dean-Sexton.
The way we looked after Motts and Des English in 1987.
The near perfection of season 1995.
The Barassi revolution.
The first club to win three flags on the trot.
Six flags in my lifetime.
Sticking it up the Bombers, a la 1999.

Of all those things listed above how many have been directly affected by the colour of our jumper? Absolutely none of them!

The jumper is great and I do love it the dark navy with the white CFC. But I love all those things listed above much more because they are the things that make the jumper great. Without all those things, and more, the jumper would represent nothing. No matter how good our jumper looks, without our history, it is worthless. Just a lifeless piece of fabric.

So, the way I see it, our jumper could be anything, black, white or brindle, but if it is our official jumper then it matters to me. The jumper is a representation of our great club ... it is NOT our great club. The men that play for our club, play for the club and what it represents. The jumper is just one small piece of that puzzle.

Let's not overreact at what is ultimately a minor inconvenience. We have far greater things to be focusing on than the colours we wear on the weekend. Moreover, if we win #17 in a white jumper I couldn't care less. I want our club back winning grand finals. That, and only that, is the ultimate aim. If it's done in a different jumper to our preferred colours I, for one, won't be complaining.

Great post CB.

I don't care what we play in, we've got so much history and tradition around here, there's no reason not to add another one to that list. If we win our next premiership in the white, what sort of supporter will be saying it doesn't count because we weren't wearing the navy?

FFS.

It's a jumper - I don't give a shit what we're wearing, I just want the club to win.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:34 pm

Habib wrote:

CB if we were to change our colours to black and white, would you care?

Firstly, noone is suggesting that our colours change.

Secondly, if there was a valid reason for changing (like there is for the clash jumper) to black and white, then I'd live with it.

Our jumper is important because it is our jumper. Within reason, the colour and design doesn't phase me so much. Our history and all the things that make our club great won't change just because we might be asked to wear a different jumper a few times a year.

Let me return the favour with a question, if you could only choose one of the following which would you choose:

A premiership or a navy blue jumper?

juddy · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:37 pm

Great move by CEO Gregg Swann IMO Carlton are not Carlton in that white crap when you watch the old GF's and see the former Champions of the club running around.
Can any of my fellow blues supporters honestly say that jumper represents the true Carlton yes we all want to get back winning but wearing the navy blue Guernsey is the Carlton I know and remember. my2cents.

Donstuie · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:38 pm

And yet we cried bloody murder when Collingwood and Essendon* refused to move with the times.

thehalford · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:52 am **Posts:** 12808

Donstuie wrote:

And yet we cried bloody murder when Collingwood and Essendon* refused to move with the times.

That's because Collingwood and Essendon* are flowers

true_blue3 · **Joined:** Tue May 16, 2006 8:57 pm **Posts:** 6836

true_blue3 wrote:

i can't believe i'm saying this but i'm with melvey on this one. if collingwood don't have to make an alternative strip then we shouldn't either. and i reckon if pratt was the prez when we were told to make these we wouldn't have even made them, not without a fight anyway. i'm not saying it looks better or worse than our original jumper but i just don't like the whole concept of a clash jumper.

hate to quote myself but i always had faith in ya pratty... :-D

CK95 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:13 pm

As a couple of others have said I'd find it a whole lot more palatable if we got to wear navy shorts with it. I really don't think that's too much to ask.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:21 pm

swann is using the age old political tactic of diversion

the focus is now on the white jumper and the anger of being forced to wear it

rather than the focus being on our shit start to the season

smart operator is old swannie and he hooked you all in.

CK95 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:24 pm

Yeah good point there are zero threads talking about football.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:29 pm

CK95 wrote:

Yeah good point there are zero threads talking about football.

i more meant in the media etc etc

true_blue3 · **Joined:** Tue May 16, 2006 8:57 pm **Posts:** 6836

current poll on the club website:

Do you think Carlton should wear the white clash guernsey for selected away matches?
Yes41%
No58%
87 votes

camel · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:14 pm

grrofunger wrote:

swann is using the age old political tactic of diversion

the focus is now on the white jumper and the anger of being forced to wear it

rather than the focus being on our shit start to the season

smart operator is old swannie and he hooked you all in.

That I will concede, and also that it sends a message to the AFL that our administration is ready to kick heads if it needs to.

Apart from that, storm in a tea cup.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:50 pm

camelboy wrote:

grrofunger wrote:

swann is using the age old political tactic of diversion

the focus is now on the white jumper and the anger of being forced to wear it

rather than the focus being on our shit start to the season

smart operator is old swannie and he hooked you all in.

That I will concede, and also that it sends a message to the AFL that our administration is ready to kick heads if it needs to.

Apart from that, storm in a tea cup.

Do we need to be that arrogant again?

Are we turning our backs on another revenue generator - there are enough fans out there that like the white to purchase it

Robert Heatley · **Joined:** Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:04 pm **Posts:** 615

grrofunger wrote:

camelboy wrote:

grrofunger wrote:

swann is using the age old political tactic of diversion

the focus is now on the white jumper and the anger of being forced to wear it

rather than the focus being on our shit start to the season

smart operator is old swannie and he hooked you all in.

That I will concede, and also that it sends a message to the AFL that our administration is ready to kick heads if it needs to.

Apart from that, storm in a tea cup.

Do we need to be that arrogant again?

Are we turning our backs on another revenue generator - there are enough fans out there that like the white to purchase it

Yes we do need to be that arrogant again. Just finished watching the Bulldogs play the Saints in a BLUE jumper, and not only could I tell the teams apart, but I was also wishing that we played with the intensity that the Bulldogs did tonight.

maxyblue · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:07 pm

grrofunger wrote:

swann is using the age old political tactic of diversion

the focus is now on the white jumper and the anger of being forced to wear it

rather than the focus being on our shit start to the season

smart operator is old swannie and he hooked you all in.

agree with that ... reckon swanny is using this to fire the joint up a bit. we have become emasculated, just accepting of everything (mediocrity included).

has this white strip become an away strip rather than a clash one by stealth?

AGRO · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:16 pm

Not only that he is engendering an "us against the world" spirit - which gels and unites the playing group, supporters and the club in general. :wink:

Melvey · **Posted:** Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:56 pm

grrofunger wrote:

swann is using the age old political tactic of diversion

the focus is now on the white jumper and the anger of being forced to wear it

rather than the focus being on our shit start to the season

smart operator is old swannie and he hooked you all in.

i started this thread before swanny came and and said what he did

true_blue3 · **Joined:** Tue May 16, 2006 8:57 pm **Posts:** 6836

Melvey wrote:

grrofunger wrote:

swann is using the age old political tactic of diversion

the focus is now on the white jumper and the anger of being forced to wear it

rather than the focus being on our shit start to the season

smart operator is old swannie and he hooked you all in.

i started this thread before swanny came and and said what he did

wow, your strike rate is now off the mark!

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