Can someone please give a summary of what the thread says?

Can someone please give a summary of what the thread says?

I think you will find that the irish boys, in particular Setanta has busted a gut trying to learn the game and get a game in the seniors.

They train hard, they train after the other players have gone in and they don't drink.

Hardly prima-donnas. I think as has been mentioned, they are frustrated by the changing nature of our game plane as opposed to having a sook, because Aisake hasn't had a game.

All of this is assuming that we suddenly believe in a rumour posted by someone on another site.

When did rumour become fact on TC?

I think you will find that the irish boys, in particular Setanta has busted a gut trying to learn the game and get a game in the seniors.

They train hard, they train after the other players have gone in and they don't drink.

Hardly prima-donnas. I think as has been mentioned, they are frustrated by the changing nature of our game plane as opposed to having a sook, because Aisake hasn't had a game.

All of this is assuming that we suddenly believe in a rumour posted by someone on another site.

When did rumour become fact on TC?

In point form

Setanta and Aisake are whingers.
Everyone is against them.
They don't understand the game.
When they are given a task - in trouble and getting told off instead of being given instructions.
Bad attitudes.
Not surprised to see them both gone.
Having difficulties understanding the nuances of the game.
Aisake - worst on ground last week for the Bullants.
Rude to Skinny when given directions.
Many people at the club are sick of their whinging.

I told ye this a while back and i hate my head bitten off. This has been going on for years now and it wont change. They wont listen and get offended when some of the boys avoid them because they keep asking the same questions over and over again.

that both bros don't like being told what to do - they feel that instructions are more like criticisms and are perhaps acting a little petulant.

Apparantly Aisake had a go at skinny when he was playing badly (Aisake that is) for the ants.

Alledgedly they have been whingeing about things and the club is getting sick of it.

Personally, I think Ratten is a moron who will sink this club even further than we have already sunk...

I have Carlton in the blood and could never barrack for anyone else, but if we end up getting rid of these two I will just give up entirely...

it feels for me personally that I've been barracking for the O'h's more than the team itself over the last few years, and will be at my wits end if it ends up pear shaped..

I mean, to my way of thinking if the O'h's come good, its a sign that the whole bloody team will eventually... and all I keep hearing is how bad Setanta was in the ruck the last year, how he doesn't do the little extra things and how he runs around out of position.. um, did he not kick a goal every game he was played in the ruck last year, after Clokey went down???? Does it seem like he has been told to go out and try something different? No.

Personally, I think our entire playing list is too similar, and I mean in terms of backgrounds...Essendon* has the Indigenous fleet, and Bachar Houli, every other team who has invested in Irish talent seems to be coming off... most teams have a bit of a mix, but Carlton still looks like a boys club... if you don't know the rules then bugger off... if Setanta in particualr, and Aisake, aren't coming along, then I blame only one person. Ratten. I keep waiting for Setanta to improve in the space of a season out of sight the way he apparently did in his first year of hurling...

Ratten just doesn't seem very smart, despite his being supposedly a smart person. Is he a good communicator? Probably not. Was he my favorite player way back when...yes. Do I like him now? Less and less every week...

Personally, I think Ratten is a moron who will sink this club even further than we have already sunk...

I have Carlton in the blood and could never barrack for anyone else, but if we end up getting rid of these two I will just give up entirely...

I think we are placing too much emphasis on a rumour that has not been confirmed.