What I'd like to know is who actually got fined... Visy Industries or Richard Pratt?

Well Visy Industries got fined, but seeing as Richard Pratt's company is privately owned, it's pretty much the same thing. If the company was publicly listed I would assume he'd be in serious trouble.

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http://carltonfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/4311/Default.aspx?newsId=53006

That's nice to know.

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This is the interesting part

I thought so too.

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Great news for us. Bad news for supporters of 15 other AFL clubs, and I suspect their reactions will reflect this.

Yep everyone who is successful at business has done the wrong thing sometimes. Yep he said he did it and they have been fined



The difference between Pratt and Elliot is Pratt admitted to the error.

Elliott never has to my knowledge said he has [REDACTED] up despite all the business fuckups.

I am so glad Pratt is our President but its pretty silly to think he is squeeky clean business wise

All I care about is that with Dick at the helm, we are better off financially and it is not entirely coming from Dick's pocket.


If Elliott was still President we would be playing in Newcastle by now.

Cue Patrick Smith on SEN tomorrow...

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No you would be playing at Optus oval and you would have an 7 million dollar debt as it would be still on the books as an asset

Its all done wit mirrors Collo had to create this fear that we were massively in debt and if we did not move to Telstra dome they would go broke . So the AFL chipped in 3 mill the move was made and now the supporters players and club suffers witha stand that now is worthless so ift is no longer and asset

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Elliot ran a company while it was insolvent and the creditors of Waterwheel were the ones to suffer.

He was doing the same to Carlton and if he had been allowed to continue the club would have been destroyed.

The AFL would never have negotiated another contract for Princes Park, it was finished as an AFL venue regardless, the Legends stand was one of the biggest mistakes of the Elliot regime.

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More banana talk from north of the river......
Mathieson upon seeing the clubs books counselled Collo to hand the keys over to the AFL...because it was his opinion the clubs finances were not salvagable.. Collo didnt take the advice.
Mathieson... who is not a dumb businessman... and can smell a business thats dead in the water a mile away.. and understands how to turn them around... would have a better idea on where the club was left after Elliot finished with it than you i would think... but anyway... dont let the facts get in the way of another Sydney Blue chook feeding fest...

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That makes the efforts of Collo either heroic, crazy, or a mixture of both.

Im not sure whether people really do appreciate tha depths to which Carlton sank.

We werent going to just let die, but a lesser AFL brand would have not been resucitated. .

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but in 2002 Jack already moved us away from there playing some games at the dome. Collo was the one who put us back there for all home games in 03. Let's not rewrite history here.

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Oh Christ... not another Elliot/Collo thread

Ellipt took us to the Dome... by not taking us to the MCG when we had first rights.... instead he almsot had'last rights' read to us ...

Because we could never stay at Princes Park... so Elliot was the doofus!!!

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Fair enough but it doesn't hide the fact Collo was a snake. Got us to his dome then jumped ship and left us to rot.

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The AFL took us to the Dome.. cos Elliott didnt take us to the G.
Smorgon / Rose/ Malouf and the barrister turfed out Collo for personal gain.... it all really went belly up when those blokes took over... The good thing is that led to the memebers registering their disgust and that led to Pratts return...

So its all good!!!

But Elliotts stuidity and shithouse management almost killed the club.

If you ever get a chance speak to Matheson about what was inherited and what the shock he received the first night they looked into the books.
Matheson is a straight shooter if ever there is one... no bullshit no glitter...

He was a huge ally of Collo and very few others on that board.(Unfortunately they got together not by design but cos someone had to do it))push out Elliott)
Collo didnt run away after the Dome deal.... he lost the numbers to be president and walked away instead of hoing to a vote.. (That he was going to lose) Smorgon always had designs as president and was not waiting any longer...


I think people come to their own 'conclusions' when they dont know what hapened.
The problem with Collo is he was boring.. he was an accountant.. he wasnt trusted by somne people because of his stint with the AFL... and couldnt grow the brand...

But there will come a time that FitzyJ Madden or McKay will let us down... because they have jobs elsewhere..
Thats life......

Suporters dont get that.. but careers and supporting dont always mix...

People forget.. Collo was a 2 time premiership player... and bled and made others bleed for Carlton.. he was the architect of most of our premierships in the 80s .. he was instrumental in bringing us Williams /Kernahan/Motey/Bradley and Stevens..

He was more a CEO in the Swann league of his day...If Collo didnt know about it back then it wasnt worth knowing... probably not presidential material... and of course his life had gone in a different direction when he left.

But its silly to hear people talk.. he doesnt/didnt care!!... very naive... and poor...

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Oh and i can guarantee you another thing.
Noone else would have had the guts to move us away from a decaying Princes Park that was collapsing around our ankles.
People still dreaming of Princes Park home games are well and truly lost in the VFL...

Nobody with any brains would dream about PP being our home ground anymore.
Elliott tried it and he built a monstrosity that amost cost us our club.

A training facility is all it was ever going to be...

AND.... Elliott should have led us to the G.... but his shortsightedness means we had to settle for the Dome and the G... and Collingwood ended up with the lions spoil at the G.

THAT is not Collos fault..


The rest is all bulshit...... no matter what spin is put on it...

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Only because they built the Dome you have to remember when Elliott built that stand there was no Dome and he had a committment off the AFL to basically operate OO as Melbournes 2nd Venue . He got shafted when they decided to build the Dome . At the time he made the decision it was the right one - turned out bad in the end - Shit Happens .

Elliot was a scape goat for our first spoon if there hadn't been so much angst towards him by the members the AFL would never have swooped with the salary cap drama .

Melbourne football supporters live in a cocoon you live and breath everything football you should come outside of that cocoon and look in you can clearly see whats happening with the AFL and the manipulation that is going on to secure certain teams are successful and protect the integrity of the draft some of it is quite pathetic .

and I will stand by my original statement if it was elliot and not Pratt who had just been fined 36 mill the screams for his head would be deathening

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The AFL gave us a report which warned us away from redevloping PP... but you continue on with your Elliott throwaway lines....

This reminds me of the affadavit Elliott was going to sign that we wernt cheating ... and the numbers he threw up about what ground is viable... when we all know that crowd incomes are mostly fixed and paid in advance with memberships... unless of course youre not pushing memberships and attempting to build them???

Cos otherwise the only income youre actually making is supporters who have not bought a membership pack.. and opposition supporters... we were averaging say 22k at PP during Elliotts last couple of years as President...

So how could we make money and grow the club??>

But you keep believeng what Elliott was telling you... "Yes Jenny.. there really is a Santa Clause"...

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