8) Kouta had every right to say what he did in his book and he has been backed by Mathew Allan and Campo. He also maintains that he, as Captain, spoke to Pagan many times about the Leadership Group's concerns about his coaching methods.

It would have been like speaking to a brick wall in trying to get Pagan to change. I was recently speaking to a mate who was a Reserves Coach at the Kangaroos during the 90's. His comments to me mirror what Kouta says about Pagan not being willing to change. This Chap's comments were "that it was Pagan's way or thehighway!"

The real problem was that Pagan never understood the Carlton culture and should never have been reappointed back in 2005. It just shows what an absolute tosser and d*ckhead Collins was.

The real problem was not the playing, it was the completely useless and disfunctional Boards that we had during Pagan's reign.

Could you imagine Dick Pratt, the current Board or, Greg Swann putting up with Pagan's antics. No1 The end result of a competent and tough Administation is there for all to see with Pagan getting the boot last year. As I have the biggest contributor to the Pagan debacle was Collins - the complete and utter flowering idiot who gave Pagan his 3 year contract extension

That book would have never been released if carlton didnt want it to.

Old cow?.....she's only 46 !

A cow is such a beautiful and wonderful creature and gives us milk for children and babies to drink and milk for our cappuccinos and caffe lattes.

Yes a cow is a such a wonderful thing.

Agreed - I love Kouta, but this little book incident has been an ugly insight into the selfish side of his nature IMO.

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Good point. People like Robert Walls have their name up on the Carlton Foundation chart at Princes Park for giving their own money from 2002-07 to get the club back on track - I can't remember seeing Kouta's name on that list.

Caro made some good points. Kouta took more than he gave. What we need going forward are people that put the team before personal gratification - we need moral soldiers of the highest order.

Kouta had 2 All-Australian years yet was earning more than Riccuito who had about 8 All-Australian years... but according to Kouta the club "owed" him that extra money.

I will never forget what Kouta did 1992-2001 - but all up he took more than what he gave.

I nearly spat my coffee over the keyboard when I read Agro's post.

I nearly spat my coffee over the keyboard when I read Agro's post.