I just love the fact that whatever happens- Juddy or no Juddy- were going to be an improved outfit in 2008.
We have some real trade currency at the moment and I think a fair deal is within striking distance.

Thanks Josh - really hope we can keep Kennedy. I'd do the Fev for picks 5 and 7 and I'd certainly be happy with gaining Judd, picks 5 and 14 for Fev and picks 3, and Bower/Scotland.

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Because we have the most currency.

Cazzes' point is very significant, too.

The jungle drums are certainly getting louder.

Don't read too much into West Coast's public statement. They know he's about to walk...

That has possibilities and would keep a lot of supporers reasonably happy with 3 1st round picks and Judd for bascially Fev. I'd do it.

We win either way. We get Judd we have a ready made superstar, if we don't we'll pick up a talented kid like that Palmer boy who killed it in the U18 carnival who will most likely end up a star anyway.

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Hey Synners, usually agree with you but not on this occassion.

For the first half of this season CJ was simply the best player in the comp. Assumin his groin is fixable, trading pick 3 plus say Bower for Judd would be fantastic for our group.

The guy is a true professional and can only improve us. It would be immense for our young guys and the image of the club. Our midfield looks pretty good with Judd, Stevens, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Carazzo, Houlihan, Grigg.

And the $1 mill a year - would be paid back in spades by increased membership and merch sales!

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Also we can front load Judd's contract. People are worried that in say, three years, we won't have room for Gibbs, Murphy, etc. That's a perfectly valid argument. But at the moment we really lack a core of senior players who command high salaries. Hence, we have ample room to pay Judd a bucketload in his first two years, and cut that back in his third and fourth.

Sorry Cazz, but that is a very good analogy whether you realize it or not. Where there is this much smoke there is usually fire.

I am S*** scared to put it bluntly. I'm scarred that Judd has an injury that will prevent him from being anywhere near the player he was. I'm scared that other clubs with greatly benefit from a first round draft that we will no longer participate in. I’m scared that a quick fix midfield will mean that we abuse and neglect other areas and that later round draft picks will only produce virtually worthless second choice solutions. The list goes on... Just because he is Chris Judd does not mean that it is automatically worth doing exactly what caused us lots of grief in the past, only on a grander scale. I would be hugely surprised if Fev were part of any deal. We would much prefer a surer, slow death approach.

Ideally, we need to fire about five shots in two years; a trade for Judd could put it all in jeopardy.

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The latest news says that Judd would be on a 5 year deal worth over $7 Million.....Swann and Icke there tomorrow.

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lets see, do we take one of the greatest players of our generation who is still relatively young or do we punt on a player who may or may not be that great but is 6 years younger?

Keeping in mind that we have two first round draft picks anyway so we CAN have our cake and eat it to.

JUDD!!!!

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The opportunity to obtain a once in a generation type player will come along again...

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Dave Allison would approve.....thats just crazy stuff after what happened with Kouta.......

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- Conor Gillen

When Ron Barassi came to Carlton in 1965 we had just had our worst finish to a home and away season (10th) and had not won a premiership for 17 years. Barassi had just won his 6th flag with the Demons who were the powerhouse club.

Boldness from our administration sold Barassi a vision that he could become a legend by lifting the Blues back to the top. Time tells us the Barassi legend was really born at Carlton, particularly after the 1970 triumph over arch enemy Collingwood after being 44 points down at ½ time. This led to a glorious era at Carlton as we carried on our boldness and willingness to push boundaries and attract and develop star players.

I believe we are on this precipice again. Why would Chris Judd come to Carlton and not a Hawthorn or Collingwood? He can become a legend if he can be a major part of the Blues renaissance and 17th flag. More importantly, he will symbolise our return to being bold and willing to push boundaries and help and develop star players. He will help fill a critical void in the development of a strong leadership core. It’s no coincidence Collingwood and the Kangaroos have come so far this year, they both have a very solid experienced core who bring the youngsters along and help develop them. We can’t just rely on developing an academy, when push comes to shove youngsters develop quicker when they have role models they aspire to. Ask yourself a question if you were Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy or Andrew Walker. Do I aspire to be as good as Chris Judd? Even if you are Kade Simpson, Jarrad Waite and Nick Stevens, you could ask this question. I bet the answer is yes.

I agree with Josh on this one, we don’t have to choose one of the options; we can have both, particularly with Judd. I’m sure John Nicholls, Alex Jesaulenko and Robert Walls agree.

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In 1964 there was no draft system and no TPP.

What you guys are crowing about is paying 15% or more of our salary cap for 5 years on a guy who we are not even sure will last 100 games, no matter how good he is or was .. and also trading a pick 3 and pick 4 away for him. That's 2 potential 200 game players.

I'm sorry, I do not see the sense in doing that, despite the leadership upside. This is very much "old" Carlton, and we need "New" Carlton now.

There is no doubt that Judd would bring enormous publicity and excitement to Carlton ....and the AFL.....enormous publicity and potential sponsors.

If he he can get over his medical problems; he is an absolute superstar; and will invigorate the whole Club....especially our young players.

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I'm sure we will do fitness tests prior to making any committment

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Fitness tests mean virtually nothing at trade week. At this stage, it is all speculative. Surely people must realise that at age 24 he has a very serious issue with the possibility that it will be with him from now on, and all the medicos can really say is well he may be all right, but only time will tell after an operation.

Scare mongering.

Do you really believe Judd is gone, as a just turned 24yo footballer?