Luckily Fev never had to play on Silvagni. Because if he did, he would be crying to the umpires after every marking contest. Yes he gets man handled, but so did, and do, all the other good forwards. Just get on with the game. I think it's up to the club to send an official message to the umpires like other clubs do, if they think he is really getting unfairly treated.

I'm a huge Fev fan and would prefer him to stay, but there's no arguing the guys a sook.

Some of you posters,

Have you ever played a teamsport??

Sorry about the sarcasm, but you play as a team.

If you are a senior player as he is now, you lead by example.

He doesnt and he never will consistently.

Why he has been kept is he can play

But since I posted previously, not one of you posters have mentioned his body

Its not the shoulder or the busted up hands or the dodgy thigh i am concerned about its his groin.

He was operated on at the end of 05 . It now has scar tissue and we have all seen players on a downward spiral from around his age.

Given his obviously child liked tantrums and baby brain trapped in a man's body syndrome, his spit the dummy routines will increase if his body started packing it in.

Have a look at the 2 best teams in the competition. Both Geelong and West Coast have multi options up forward and their midfielders contribute goals as well. They have Mooney and Lynch. Is Fev better than these 2 guys

Granted Fev takes the best backman which makes Fish and cos job easier, but IMO the negatives now outweigh the positives.

I would hate to see Fev play on be less effective and be more trouble than he is worth in a team game.

We have Kennedy, Betts ,Fisher, Waite maybe Hartlett as well who I think if he gets his legs right could make a effective CHF. Maybe Hampson the O"Hailpin brothers as well.

The bottom line in this argument is this

If you were going to trade Fev you would do it this year because if we dont any value he has will be lost I reckon.
Two of the last 3 years his body hasnt lasted a whole season.

Have a look at King(true blue brad are you listening) at Geelong. He was given a few weeks to see if he could cut the mustard in senior footy.
He is gone because his body doesnt allow him to jump higher enough and his sideways mobility is shot to pieces. And this from a ruckman, physical tools that are more important to a Full Forward.

Fev has stood out because he has played in a shithouse team.
That team will get better as he falls away.

I say trade him now if the right deal is found.
To totally dismiss any option to trade him is the sort of ignorance that has landed this club in the shit its been in in the last few years.

Excellent post Keogh - you have summed the Fev situation up in a nutshell.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

The only one sooking is you! He's contracted for next year, the coach said he is required! Get over it and support your champion players!

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Game I aint sooking and I am just expressing an opinion.

Its what I think is right.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Fev has 1 year to go on his contract.

If he is staying as you suggest well then he needs a change of some sorts.
If he is the gun that many posters say he is then play him further up the ground(CHF leading to the centre)

This might make him a bit more team orientated.
The fact that he is staying doesnt make my points irrelevent.
Time will be the greatest tell sign wont it.

Game I'm usually a fan of your posts, and I usually don't agree so much with Keogh's, but I'm with him on this one. I might not agree with him 100% but he presents a compelling argument. I love Fev, but his body and sooking are a concern. One that can't be taken lightly. I hope the club puts a lot of thought into trading him (both the do and don't) and weigh up any offers. They would be stupid not to.

Keogh, you've nailed it in one.

The club would know better than us just what sort of effect Fev has on the team. The mere fact that he's on the trade table (and make no mistake - we'll listen very closely to offers) says that the club believes that we MAY be better off without him.

Last year, Fev kicked a lot of goals, but he was also (by a considerable margin) the most 'kicked-to' forward in the competition. He may have been playing in a shit team, but that team looked for him at every possible opportunity.

I really don't think he's going to kick a hundred for us when we get good. Because we'll only get good if we've got multiple scoring options and a strong team ethic.

Fev's not the issue, the team is. If we're a stronger team (in body, mind and spirit) by keeping him - KEEP HIM. If we're a stronger team (in body, mind and spirit) by trading him - TRADE HIM.

If we get a very good offer, I think he's gone.

Are you calling Brett Ratten a liar?

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Are you suggesting that AFL coaches tell the complete truth every time they speak to the media?

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Turkish Proverb

When talking about contracted players yeah? Name one contracted star player in recent times who was traded against his will after being told publicly he's a required player?

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

I thought I saw Ratts say Fev 'probably' wont be traded. 'Probably' is not definitive.

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There's so much I could say...

He's not a liar. He said that Fev is 'probably' off the table. What's he meant to say? 'Yeah, he's on the market.' ?? This would not be an intelligent way to maximise his value.

Seriously, most people understood Ratts comments as "we're not desperate to trade him, but we'll consider it if the offer is really really good".

Same with Swann, saying that we wouldn't trade Fev unless we get an 'unbelievable' offer. Translation: hey doggies... make us an unbelievable offer and he's yours.

After watching Lance today...............injured or not....he looks like a spent player.

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

Why does the G-Train escape the spotlight, while Fev is crucified?
He's a bigger tool than Fev,and Grant (build a bridge) Thomas keeps saying that if G-Train's not on you can tell prior to a game.
It's got me completely flowering confused

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I see you watching me watching you.

We undersood it to mean he's not going to get traded even if 2 first round draft picks were offered. That he said too. Sounded definitive to me. The voice tone and body language tells anyone that that has any sort of smarts whatoever. Swann was definitve two weeks ago during the Port Adelaide telecast. Fev's been definiitve many times as has his manager. They weren't dodgy, short throwaway answers you'd get with someone avoiding the topic. You'd imagine people will one day accept without trying to read between every little thing that is said. It'll sink in with people at some stage .

Agreed.

He went off at one stage with knee soreness.

I think he is GAWN

After watching Lance today, if he's judged on that he'll get another contract, hopefully for just one year at a time. 21 possies, 11 marks, some strong marks at that. That included a terrifc pack mark during the 3rd qtr near the goal square. If it wasn't for some unusually rotten kicking in the first half he may have kicked 4-5. As it was he kicked 2.3 with 2 others that didn't make the distance from close range. Amongst our best and was a decent target for most of the day. To say otherwise about today's effort one would have to have a "Lance agenda".

At one stage Lance got the ball at CHF, looked up and saw there were two Carlton players free but decided to have a shot. His inability to consistently hit targets meant the kick went off the side of the boot right in the path of the two Carlton players who ended up goaling

I think Waite's inability to hit targets coming out of defence and his promising form up forward means IMO Lance's contract should not be renewed. If Lance is to continue and Fev stays it would most likely mean that Kennedy would not get a game. Surely we should be giving priority to Josh Kennedy; he will do everything in his power to improve. I don't think the same can be said for Lance

Cameron Mooney was an undisciplined problem child who got reported freqently, spat the dummy most games...but has matured and will be a vital part of Geelong's GF team....why cant Fev be like Mooney?

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
training partner."
- Conor Gillen

Mooney is shy. Fevola is outgoing.

Chalk and cheese.