Brett Ratten named coach - press conference update p23

verbs · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:15 pm

Josh Kaplan wrote:

As I was saying earlier in this thread, I didnt like the fact that we employed old Carlton tactics in selecting our coach.
I would have liked Gerard Healy and Robert Walls to have given their opinion on prospective candiates- perhaps ranked them in a number of areas out of 10, and then chosen a coach with this in mind.

I dont care about a 5 month PR driven process, but I wanted a wider range of opinions sought then merely Kernahan, Gleeson Swann and Icke.

In saying that, I love Ratts as a bloke and he has done a floorless job so far- so lets hope the right choice was made.

On the couch?

JK · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:19 pm **Posts:** 2187

Thats probably not worthy of a reply, but I think their opinion holds more weight then Steve Kernahans or Adrian Gleesons or mine or particularly yours to be perfectly honest..

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:26 pm

Josh Kaplan wrote:

Thats probably not worthy of a reply, but I think their opinion holds more weight then Steve Kernahans or Adrian Gleesons or mine or particularly yours to be perfectly honest..

Why

blueblues · **Joined:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:26 pm **Posts:** 236

In the end, IMO Ratts was easily the best man for the job.

CarltonClem · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:30 pm

I usually have a lot of time for Elwood and having read through his posts on the topic, I think a few people have misconstrued what I think he's getting at.

Elwood has not categorically said that Ratten was not the best choice, the main thrust of his posts seems to be that it is the appearance of bias that is the main problem. Would Elwood have a problem if the committee was Swann, Icke, Pratt and Moulton and still appointed Ratten? I suspect not. He could correct me if I'm wrong.

The issue here is Kernahan and Gleeson. Kernahan has presided over some of the worst decisions of the past 5 years and has managed to avoid any skerrick of blame really - publicly at least. And here he is appointing the next coach. It does smell problematic but unfortunately there is no one else on the board with football experience at the highest level apart from Gleeson and that is a problem as well because he is a mate of Ratten's from playing days.

Elwood, I will say this though. Other posters have brought this up in that Bond and McKenna have not made the final cut of the Melbourne coaching interview process. That is a bit worrying. Either Bond or McKenna were not impressive enough at interview or Melbourne's process is entirely wrong and they're looking for the wrong things.

Bond and McKenna you would think would be in the gun for the Essendon* job but where have they gotten to? It would seem the Bummers are looking for someone else other than Bond or McKenna.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

CarltonClem wrote:

I usually have a lot of time for Elwood and having read through his posts on the topic, I think a few people have misconstrued what I think he's getting at.

Elwood has not categorically said that Ratten was not the best choice, the main thrust of his posts seems to be that it is the appearance of bias that is the main problem. Would Elwood have a problem if the committee was Swann, Icke, Pratt and Moulton and still appointed Ratten? I suspect not. He could correct me if I'm wrong.

The issue here is Kernahan and Gleeson. Kernahan has presided over some of the worst decisions of the past 5 years and has managed to avoid any skerrick of blame really - publicly at least. And here he is appointing the next coach. It does smell problematic but unfortunately there is no one else on the board with football experience at the highest level apart from Gleeson and that is a problem as well because he is a mate of Ratten's from playing days.

Elwood, I will say this though. Other posters have brought this up in that Bond and McKenna have not made the final cut of the Melbourne coaching interview process. That is a bit worrying. Either Bond or McKenna were not impressive enough at interview or Melbourne's process is entirely wrong and they're looking for the wrong things.

Bond and McKenna you would think would be in the gun for the Essendon* job but where have they gotten to? It would seem the Bummers are looking for someone else other than Bond or McKenna.

Ratten is fine by me, Swann, Icke, Pratt, Moulton would be fine by me, Swann, Icke, Healy, Walls etc etc would be fine....just not Sticks/Gleeson making decisions about a mate.

re: Bond and McKenna...take your point however I am sure I read an article in the HUN that quoted Swann or another spokesman from Carlton saying Bond and Mckenna impressed...it could be anyone else, I just wanted us to explore very avenue.

Bailey and Hardwick made the Melb list and Bond and McKenna miss out.??? reckon Sheeds might have the job based on the lack of opposition....with maybe the exception of Connolly....

camel · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:39 pm

Let me say first up I am very happy to have Ratts on board. But I'm not surprised the process is being questioned.

Here's a couple of comments I made in the days after Pagan's sacking...

camelboy wrote:

My gut feeling is that if Ratts puts in a simple pass mark up until R22 that he will be our coach in 2008. I won't be surprised if I'm wrong, but my initial gut reaction is the job is his so long as he doesn't stuff up the caretaker's gig.

camelboy wrote:

I've got no doubt the club will interview other candidates, I'm not suggesting they won't. Put it this way, I think this will be a good litmus test to see how much influence Sticks has now that Swann and Icke are on board.

Personally, I am not overly concerned that we don't appear to have followed "the process"--whatever that is--I'm just happy to have a coach on board who seems to have a clue about modern footy, a coach that understands what our club is about and a coach willing to give the kids a game.

The fact that coach happens to be Brett Ratten is the icing on the cake.

GO BLUES!!!

Wild Blue Yonder · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:47 pm

Bond and McKenna have become the Brian Royals of this decade. Nominated for every coaching job. Never cut the mustard.

AIRCAV · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:49 pm

great get WBY!

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:58 pm

Wild Blue Yonder wrote:

Bond and McKenna have become the Brian Royals of this decade. Nominated for every coaching job. Never cut the mustard.

Or even the mark Harvies but he looks like getting a job now

mjonc · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:00 pm

BIBI01 wrote:

Ockham's Razor wrote:

So far this "new" board has not put a foot wrong.

They promised a turn around in finances - it has been delivered;

They promised a turn around in the admin area - it has been delivered;

They promised hope for the supporters - it has been delivered;

Why do the conspiracy theorists think that simply because Sticks was involved in the appointment of Ratten that our very well credentialed and thus far successful board, would blindly follow him if the decision was not in the club's absolute best interest.

Perhaps they have managed to get this one right as well. Time will tell but slagging the club has become an art form for some on here.

they didn't act on the pagan - mitchell fiasco, allowed a ridiculous situation to bubble along, while all could see it was distraction and not a situation that should have continued as it was not moving the club FWD.

other than that there is nothing significant that they have botched up.

For good reason. They didn't want to pay out Pagan six months earlier than needed.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10593

Bond has been a bridesmaid on too many occasions.
Would welcome him down as an assitant to Ratts however if he feels.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:36 pm

camelboy wrote:

Does anybody know what time the press conference will be tomorrow? I'm guessing FoxSports News will have live coverage, and I'd like to record it if possible.

Bump?

cj69 · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2098

Interesting video by Ratts on CTV where he said Hampson will play this week and he wants to play atleast one new player a week for the last two rounds. My guess is the other one may be Austin.

If so, Flint and Raso may be in trouble?

winfieldblue · **Joined:** Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:34 am **Posts:** 991

i hope austin gets a game he deserves a taste.

Lace Out · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:47 pm

Well done Ratts...

One thing that stick in my mind about Ratts is an article i read about him in the 90's saying thathe was the most competative bloke at the club, they couldn't even get him off the table tennis table as he would not lose!

That's the sort of bloke we need, that is the sort of bloke it will take to get the job done......

I loved the pic in the HS the other day when that old guy (The guy that Ratts asked his opinion about accepting the job) was kicking the footy and you could see Ratts inspecting it as if it meant life or death..

Very very very happy with Ratts in the drivers seat.

Did anyone else hear about sticks yelling out the window that Ratts had the job last night (to the media contingent)??

Funny stuff that. Makes me all nostalgic of the good old days when things came from the heart:)

cj69 · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2098

Firearm Fevs wrote:

Well done Ratts...

One thing that stick in my mind about Ratts is an article i read about him in the 90's saying thathe was the most competative bloke at the club, they couldn't even get him off the table tennis table as he would not lose!

That's the sort of bloke we need, that is the sort of bloke it will take to get the job done......

I loved the pic in the HS the other day when that old guy (The guy that Ratts asked his opinion about accepting the job) was kicking the footy and you could see Ratts inspecting it as if it meant life or death..

Very very very happy with Ratts in the drivers seat.

Did anyone else hear about sticks yelling out the window that Ratts had the job last night (to the media contingent)??

Funny stuff that. Makes me all nostalgic of the good old days when things came from the heart:)

Mark J · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:40 pm

Scott Burns on SEN today (btw, the only filth player i remotely respect) said that Ratts was the best first touch/clearance player he had ever seen. High praise, let's hope he can impart that knowledge on to our young mids.

blueman · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm **Posts:** 2220

Expect the unexpected, buckle up and enjoy the ride - it will be a memorable one.

It will be especially gratifying to see the sense of anger and disbelief grow in those that harbour a special dislike for us - when they see a premature Carlton resurgence taking place before their eyes

Since 2001, I have never lost faith for a moment in what I believe will occur under our new coach.

I will take great pleasure in seeing the anguish among all the people that loved to hate us over the past 6 or 7 years, because I do believe that Carlton is indeed bound for glory.

If it is good enough for Geelong to go from 10th amidst talk of sacking their coach in 2006 to 4 games clear on top of the ladder in 2007, then its surely also good enough for Carlton to go from second last to say 6th or 7th from one season to the next.

bluechampion · **Joined:** Fri May 06, 2005 1:40 pm **Posts:** 3460

Very exciting news. I look forward to the next two years in a way I never did under Pagan...

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