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exactly guys

i dont think its any surprise that the inclusion of Swann and Ickle as well as Pratt to the carlton team have seen this club do a massive turn around in a very short space of time.

i got full faith in them that they will all make the right decision

and that "if" ratts gets the job, he will do becuase he is the best man for the job, not becuase he is mates with Kernahan.

seriously, it seems Kernahan has become a whipping boy of late, and whilst some critiscim is warranted, alot of it isnt.

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The "process" is over-rated. It didn't deliver StKilda the best coach (twice) If Longmire wasn't the best candidtae for that job , I'll be a monkey's arse :roll: .

Sydney appointed Roos in a similar situation to us and now have a flag, having said that, I still reckon the players deliver 90% to success while the other 10% is made up of coach and admin.

Ratts is a very lucky boy to get this Carlton side. Not many rookie coaches walk into a list like we've got now.

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The "process" is over-rated. It didn't deliver StKilda the best coach (twice) If Longmire wasn't the best candidtae for that job , I'll be a monkey's arse :roll: .

Sydney appointed Roos in a similar situation to us and now have a flag, having said that, I still reckon the players deliver 90% to success while the other 10% is made up of coach and admin.

Ratts is a very lucky boy to get this Carlton side. Not many rookie coaches walk into a list like we've got now.


Nice one Duke, i love the parallel to Roos. It gets me very excited


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Ratten has been interviewed for nearly 12 months now they should know if he is the right man or not

I think he was brought in last year as a replacement for Pagan

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seriously, it seems Kernahan has become a whipping boy of late, and whilst some critiscim is warranted, alot of it isnt.


Actually it's all warranted - the guy's a A grade buffoon. He's the Ted Whitten of the 21st century.

If Ratten's got the job because Swann and Icke agree he's the best fit then I'm rapt.

If he's got the job because Kernahan's been lobbying for him and throwing his weight around then I'm not happy.

Either way Ratten may turn out to be the greatest coach we've ever had but you can't blame people for worrying about Kernahan's influence considering his track record.

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HMMMMMMMM...

Pretty sure I posted a thread an hour before you Chucky specifying the same infomation. That threads nowhere to be seen, not even merged into this thread?

Considering Mods are over-vigilant in regards to multiple threads on the same topic (and therefore merging them), why didn't you - when you obviously realised you duped a thread - merge yours with mine... or even vice-versa. Especially considering I provided more information on the SEN announcement than you have...


Just asking the question. :?: :?:


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...but he deserves our utmost respect for sticking fat and trying to work through the errors. His loyalty may be a hinderance, but it is funny when the tide turns that loyalty will be seen as a strength. Hands up those in the Liberal Party who were sticking with Howard in 1991? I bet you could count them on one hand.


We're more [REDACTED] than I thought... :lol:

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SparkyBlue wrote:
HMMMMMMMM...

Pretty sure I posted a thread an hour before you Chucky specifying the same infomation. That threads nowhere to be seen, not even merged into this thread?

Considering Mods are over-vigilant in regards to multiple threads on the same topic (and therefore merging them), why didn't you - when you obviously realised you duped a thread - merge yours with mine... or even vice-versa. Especially considering I provided more information on the SEN announcement than you have...


Just asking the question. :?: :?:


http://207.58.180.127/phpBB2/viewtopic. ... 288#563288


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SparkyBlue wrote:
HMMMMMMMM...

Pretty sure I posted a thread an hour before you Chucky specifying the same infomation. That threads nowhere to be seen, not even merged into this thread?

Considering Mods are over-vigilant in regards to multiple threads on the same topic (and therefore merging them), why didn't you - when you obviously realised you duped a thread - merge yours with mine... or even vice-versa. Especially considering I provided more information on the SEN announcement than you have...


Just asking the question. :?: :?:


Take it easy on chucky. i merged yours and I was going to merge this also but after opening it decided I would respond first and then forgot too. No conspiracy against you

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Does anyone actually read the Announcements on this site???

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bluechucky wrote:
Does anyone actually read the Announcements on this site???

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No. 8)

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whilst it could have the look of 'jobs for mates', I do put a lot of faith in Greg Swann and believe he is such a good operator, that anything less than the propoer process would raise alarm bells with him.

I dare say that a phone call from him to Dick would then get things happening.


Agree. We all concede that Swann and Icke (backed by pratt) have formed a formidable administration. Well if that's the case they know they are responsible for every decision made. Which means no decision...I repeat NO decision will be made based on "oh he's my mate" etc....please guys time to get real. Those days are over. Move on.

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The Duke wrote:
The "process" is over-rated. It didn't deliver StKilda the best coach (twice) If Longmire wasn't the best candidtae for that job , I'll be a monkey's arse :roll: .

Sydney appointed Roos in a similar situation to us and now have a flag, having said that, I still reckon the players deliver 90% to success while the other 10% is made up of coach and admin.

Ratts is a very lucky boy to get this Carlton side. Not many rookie coaches walk into a list like we've got now.


Dont underestimate the coaches/admin's importance to becoming a premereship contender. Just have a look at Freo and St Blunda for evidence. Both of these teams have lists that look like world beaters on paper yet have delivered nothing.

You need a coaching team that is sharp and able to get the most out of the lists at their disposal and an ability to make smart decisions game day. We have all queried Pagan's decision making the past few years, Ive lost track of the games Ive watch and shook my head in disbelief at the decisions he has made during games. For some reason (probably senility) he kept confusing himself with nostradamus and made what he thought were proactive moves that robbed us a momentum and victories.

A coach must be able to get everyone working together to a common goal whilst also having plan b's c's etc to that everyone is clear to switch to in the event things arnt working.

This isnt the 1980's anymore where a talent team just went out and did their thing - teams today with no direction look like headless chickens running around - just look at how we have played the past few years :(


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MarkNo3 wrote:
The Duke wrote:
The "process" is over-rated. It didn't deliver StKilda the best coach (twice) If Longmire wasn't the best candidtae for that job , I'll be a monkey's arse :roll: .

Sydney appointed Roos in a similar situation to us and now have a flag, having said that, I still reckon the players deliver 90% to success while the other 10% is made up of coach and admin.

Ratts is a very lucky boy to get this Carlton side. Not many rookie coaches walk into a list like we've got now.


Dont underestimate the coaches/admin's importance to becoming a premereship contender. Just have a look at Freo and St Blunda for evidence. Both of these teams have lists that look like world beaters on paper yet have delivered nothing.

You need a coaching team that is sharp and able to get the most out of the lists at their disposal and an ability to make smart decisions game day. We have all queried Pagan's decision making the past few years, Ive lost track of the games Ive watch and shook my head in disbelief at the decisions he has made during games. For some reason (probably senility) he kept confusing himself with nostradamus and made what he thought were proactive moves that robbed us a momentum and victories.

A coach must be able to get everyone working together to a common goal whilst also having plan b's c's etc to that everyone is clear to switch to in the event things arnt working.

This isnt the 1980's anymore where a talent team just went out and did their thing - teams today with no direction look like headless chickens running around - just look at how we have played the past few years :(


Well said Mark!! plus I believe development and recruiting are now just as important as anything else. :-D


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agree totally, and that is part of the reason i like Ratts

we have had more tactics in the last 3 weeks than we have had in the last 3 years.

refer to the quote from Blackwell the other day, about holding the ball up around the forward 50 ensuring defenders pick up their man, and giving fev a 1 out shot at it, rather than bombing it in and having a 5 on 1 isntance.

such a simple thing to do and has been implemented by Ratts

things like that, as well as the team playing as they are, is why i think Ratts will be a good coach.

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I agree that the coach's role is important given that the difference between a Premiership side and 10th is probably only a matter of 3%. If a coach can squeeze that out of the playing group then you want the best available.

However, the players I know have said that a vast majority of a teams success comes down to the list available. This includes age, experience, quality of senior players and size. If you don't have a well balanced side you simply won't succeed, regardless of who's coach.

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indeed, but the best side in the world wont do shit without a good coach, and the best coach in the world wont do shit without a good team.

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I suggested Donald Duck would make a better coach than Denis. You can imagine how pleased I'll be if we end up getting Ratten as coach.

It turns out that for all the practice, Donald was never any good in front of the cameras.

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Well said Scotty. :wink:


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bluechucky wrote:
Does anyone actually read the Announcements on this site???

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My thoughts exactly. :lol:

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