Wasn't Swann headhunted and signed by Dick Pratt?

Pratt said he was "the" best CEO.....let's let him do his job.

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And Paul Keating was the worlds best treasurer according to Bob Hawke???

While Sticks has the ear of Dick Pratt I think I'll take the Don Chipp approach and "keep the bastards honest"......
Good to hear that Bond is on the radar and others apart from Brett Ratten are being considered...all I ask is for a proper common sense process like what happened at Hawthorn....

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Sorry Elwood; but I never ever listened to Keating or Hawke....and why would I?.....both revolting people I wanted nothing to do with.

And besides....what have they got got to do with Billionaire Carlton supporter and CFC President Dick Pratt; and who he employs?...............................................NOTHING.

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I still dont understand the preoccupation with doing things the same as other clubs.

We're Carlton, if we wanted our club to do things like Hawthorn we'd just go and support them.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

So bloody true !.....not long ago Clarkson and Bomber Thompson were on the skids; and now they're put up as the models we should aspire to..... .....it is pathetic !

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A proper process is what we should aspire to.......

Part of our problem has been we having been doing it our own way and and caught in a time warp using our old methods and thats why we had to go and steal Greg Swann from our arch enemy who had helped lift their sorry arse off the ground and into the modern era of football administration..

If you want to be the best in the business you often have to learn from others, swallow some pride and move with the times.
The old we are Carlton, we dont rebuild ra ra ra, we do it our way, is why we have been in the flowering mess we have been for the last decade.......

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
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- Conor Gillen

Stealing Swann was an old Carlton tactic

Doing it our way was successful for over 100 years. It bit us on the arse one day and we're still paying for it.

We need to learn from the mistake we made, not copy those who have been less successful than us.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Long time reader, first time poster.

Like many, I've been devastated by the abrupt and dramatic fall of our once great club to the doldrums of the AFL. The reasons for this are numerous... it seems like everything that could've gone wrong, went wrong. Alas, I think we're finally starting to move in the right direction, after the false dawns of Pagan, '04 and the '05 NAB Cup.

The decision for who will coach us in '08 and beyond will be a huge one in shaping our future. I'd always been unsure about Voss, so I wasn't disappointed when he pulled out. But on the remaining coaches, I can't really comment insightfully. Why are people supporting McKenna? I know little about him, though the post previously about him not being rated by Malthouse or Claremont has put me off him slightly. One big thing for him, however, is where he's coming from. Collingwood have an incredible club culture going for them. Drivebys aside, look at the passion, the commitment and the discipline with which they play. Look at how professional they are, look at how rapidly their youngsters make the step up to AFL level. Surely McKenna has plays a hand in all this? Surely he could bring some of that to Carlton?

On Brett Ratten - sure, he was rated highly by Melbourne, sure he still is. But if he's so good, then why have the last few years been as bad as they've been, if he was there as an assistant coach? Will installing him as coach really change much, really give that 'breath of fresh air'? And will it only strengthen the increasingly prominent "Boys Club" culture around Carlton, with Stephen Kernahan, an incredible player, leader, Blue, but terrible administrator, at it's head? Fraser Brown has already been brought back into the fold. Are all of Sticks' mates really the best candidates for their jobs? I don't know, but if there's any hint of "mate-helping-mate" in our staff appointments, then I'm worried we'll struggle to ever return to our glory days. It smacks of unprofessionalism, and failing to secure the best guys for the job will greatly hinder our shot of making it back to the big time.

All things considered, I'm still optimistic that the Big Three of Pratt, Swann and Icke (which, with any luck, will be Fahour, Swann and Icke by '09 ) will ensure we head in the right direction, but I feel there are still issues with the powerbrokers of our club, in particular Sticks.

Go Blues!

On the footy show last nite they showed coverage of a number of people going into the CEO of Melbournes house. Interestingly, one of them was Libba! Hutchy said his mail was that McKenna is a"strong" candidate for the carlton position.

Make of that what you will

Oh no don't steal Libba off us

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Make no mistake....Libba will get them to put their head over the ball....that's what any team he coaches does!!!!!

As far as the market goes on who will get the Melbourne job, I hear Libba is pretty short...

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NOW YOU'RE JUST SOME CLUB THAT I USED TO KNOW.

This part confuses me. Last few years at Melbourne being bad? I think this is the first year in a few they'll miss the finals. In 2005, I think the year Ratts was there, they were on top of the ladder at round 18 before falling away. Plus he's not the only coach there and certainly wasn't the head coach.

With this ....



and then this ....



you have become my friend overnight. Sorry.
Seriously why haven't I noticed your posts before hand.

I read this as being in refernece to our last few years with Ratts as assistant coach.

Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but I meant at Carlton.

Don't think some posters realise that Ratts has only been an Assistant at Carlton this year....2007; together with Libba...Crosisca....Dempsey, Braddles and T.D.

Barry Mitchell was sent to Coventry, and didn't "develop" any players.

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Voss was just interviewed on Channel 10...

Others seemed to have him over the line, but that was never the case, at any club.

Didn't want to coach because it wasn't in his gut, didn't want to draw out the process with the clubs in the hunt.

Decided not to coach, slept on it, then informed the clubs involved.

Spoke to Carlton and Essendon* face to face, had phone calls with Freo and Demons.

Carlton did not offer the job, he was told that he was involved in Carlton's interview process, along with Ratts.

Long term coaching aspirations, see how it goes, just happy where he is.

Coaching still firmly on agenda, although won't be seeking an assistant coaching role for next year.

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Seems odd to me that he doesn't want to seek an assistant's role.

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After his career at Brisbane you would reckon he should know that good things come to those who wait.

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