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i think saying fev plays for himself is a bit out of left field. sure he commits some selfish acts on the field, im not saying he doesnt...but so does every player. i certainly dont believe he plays for himself.

trading him could be a further blow for this team. before his little indiscretions last season he was captain of this team. i wanted him to be captain, so did heaps of others. id hate to see him 'turn it around' at another club that just so happens to be tearing us apart at the time.

how do you know hes a disruptive influence? all the guys at the club may very love having him around.


Seanpb Fev is selfish. Same with Scotland. He and Scotland are negative influences on the playing group. He did not get one vote when the leadership group voted on who wold captain first in Whitnall's absence. Note Scotland didn't end up getting his turn.:wink:
It's all about Fev, why go the Footy Show when he was suspended by the club? He never talks team, give teammates a spray when they don't pass to him. He was never captain of the team, and his teammates certainly don't want him captain. Sure he is a gun player, but so was Lockett at St.Kilda.

Trade Fev, get rid of Scotland. Would move these guys on before Lance and Skinny.
What a joke. Be kidding about getting rid of Fev and Scotland. Scotland got votes again last week cutting up Luke Ball. You won't replace a player like Fev in the draft and I doubt a club will want to trade a big name for him anyway. Anyway, Fev's manager has insisted many times, reinterated again last Saturday, he won't be traded and having a contract if he doesn't want to go then he isn't going anywhere. Nothing anyone can do about that. Swann surprised me on the ABC last Saturday virtually saying that they'll keep Lance. I thought if his knee was shot he's better off gone. Lappin, under another coach he wants to play under, has plenty to offer and I'd like to keep him. Have to have some senior players in the side.

dont worry yourself with popeye.. he has little to no idea... :lol:

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FEV cannot be traded, unless he agrees to the trade and his manager has said he wants to be playing at Carlton Even if the club say they will put him in the bullants. Its all in his contract.

Anyone that wants to trade FEV has got rocks in their head. If you saw the Carlton vs St kilda game, he kicked 5goals being double teamed the whole DAY!!!

Enough FEV trade talk unless you trying keep the club at bottom of the ladder for years to come!!!

Whitnall, Lappinand Scotland - all quality senior players, one thing Carlton lack senior players. Last thing the club needs is a senior player to go that is a quality player!!!

Whitnall has been injured all year - give him some slack. They won't trade their captain anyway guys.

Dont need kids running around out there.
If you wanna call being overweight "injured" go ahead....

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Synbad wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
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FEV cannot be traded, unless he agrees to the trade and his manager has said he wants to be playing at Carlton Even if the club say they will put him in the bullants. Its all in his contract.

Anyone that wants to trade FEV has got rocks in their head. If you saw the Carlton vs St kilda game, he kicked 5goals being double teamed the whole DAY!!!

Enough FEV trade talk unless you trying keep the club at bottom of the ladder for years to come!!!

Whitnall, Lappinand Scotland - all quality senior players, one thing Carlton lack senior players. Last thing the club needs is a senior player to go that is a quality player!!!

Whitnall has been injured all year - give him some slack. They won't trade their captain anyway guys.

Dont need kids running around out there.
If you wanna call being overweight "injured" go ahead....



Word has it that Lance will be wearing a Bullants jumper on the Weekend.

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ScottSaunders wrote:
fev to brisbane, j.brown to carlton and to be teamed up with his mate, m.voss


You may not have been serious, but the only way a dominating, multiple premiership CHF is allowed to leave a club is if he plays around with his teammate's missus.

Brown is not going anywhere. If he is unhappy in QLD, the Lions will re-locate before they let him walk. If he says he doesn't think Fev would go well in the team, Fev aint going to Brisbane. The player like Johnno Brown is not bigger than the club. He is the club.

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Iwhen I looked up "injured knee" in the dictionary it said "too fat to play"

Re Fev, he is great player but not a great team man. There is no doubt he can win a game off his own boot (Something tarrant could never do), but at 26 or 27 and a record of poor discipline, we have to see what we can get for him in a trade sense.

If we can get a first and second round pick for Fev (which would have to be his going rate this year since Collingwood got Pick 8 and Paul Medhurst in the best draft of all time), then I reckon I would take it. Anything less and I would probably keep Fev.

I know our drafting hasn;t been terrific, but we have to get a few good players with 3 first round picks (priority, round one plus trade) and 2 second round picks.

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I'm sorry can Tarrant take contested marks now?

Accuracy in front of goal and contested marking ability, not to mention better second efforts (and that's saying something) make Fev a vastly superior player to Tarrant.

That argument lost its legs years ago. There are few players that clubs would take ahead of Fev, all things considered. We should be rewarded richly in a trade with two mid-level 1st rounders, or top 5 in each of the first two rounds and then some.

If anyone here thinks that's an unrealistic trade then you're spot on. You don't give up blokes like Fev in today's game.

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jimmae wrote:
I'm sorry can Tarrant take contested marks now?

Accuracy in front of goal and contested marking ability, not to mention better second efforts (and that's saying something) make Fev a vastly superior player to Tarrant.

That argument lost its legs years ago. There are few players that clubs would take ahead of Fev, all things considered. We should be rewarded richly in a trade with two mid-level 1st rounders, or top 5 in each of the first two rounds and then some.

If anyone here thinks that's an unrealistic trade then you're spot on. You don't give up blokes like Fev in today's game.


Agree....suggestions are being made that Tarrant will move to CHB to cure his kicking yips and Barry Cable has offered his services to try and correct Tarrants kicking.......
I wouldnt be giving up Fev...way superior to Tarrant.....

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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
If we can get a first and second round pick for Fev (which would have to be his going rate this year since Collingwood got Pick 8 and Paul Medhurst in the best draft of all time), then I reckon I would take it. Anything less and I would probably keep Fev.

I know our drafting hasn;t been terrific, but we have to get a few good players with 3 first round picks (priority, round one plus trade) and 2 second round picks.



We said the same thing in 2000. Have to get at least 1 good player with 3 first round picks. :cry:


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i dont think Lappin should retire yet. We need some older players to help bring the young guys through. He is my fav and consequently i watch him closely. I would concur that he hasn't been enjoying his football under pagan esp in the last 2 seasons. However, i think that with a new coach he could last a couple more years. The smartest player we've got bar none and therefore i think his influence on the younger guys will be beneficial. As for lance and Fev, neither is as important for mine. Both bring too many negative attachments. (remember lappin having a go at Lance about his weight?). Lappin is a professional, these two are not.

Give me two high draft picks for Fev (or a Malceski(equivalent(this guy will be a gun)) and high draft pick and i'd be satisfied given that it would remove a perennial bad-egg.

Lance - Ive been a big defender (pun intended) but he has been too unprofessional im afraid.

Of these three, lappin is the professional who carries no negative attachments, which is why i would like to see him remain. He is still an outstanding player and i think would revel in teaching the young kids and getting more responsibility.


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Just watched the Melb game and must admit to being a Lappin fan when I see him taking contested marks in front of goal. And he doesn't miss too many. Problem is, we can only have 22 playing and as soon as a young kid offers more or equal value, out will go Lappin, Banno, Wiggo, Whitnall, Saddo.
Fev won't play in our next premiership. He might play finals with us in two years but he will then be 29/30 and worth not much as a trade and passed his best. We have to look at the war, not the skirmishes that are part of it. Strategy before tactics, says that Fev traded for a high pick or two might deliver us a gun. Keeping Fev delivers us a known gun (and a loose cannon) when we don't need one as much. We know there are teams out there who could win a flag with Fev up front. If they honestly believe that, they will trade high picks and/or players for a flag. That way, Fev might get his flag and we might get ours. We won't diminish our chances of #17 by trading him. Nor will we increase our prospects by keeping him. He is just another great player at Carlton at a bad time for him and us. We need him at his very best when we are playing prelims and GFs. He's not going to do that because we aren't ready to challenge yet and won't be for three or four years. Let's have a win/win for him and the Club.

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Synbad wrote:
jim wrote:
popeye wrote:
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i think saying fev plays for himself is a bit out of left field. sure he commits some selfish acts on the field, im not saying he doesnt...but so does every player. i certainly dont believe he plays for himself.

trading him could be a further blow for this team. before his little indiscretions last season he was captain of this team. i wanted him to be captain, so did heaps of others. id hate to see him 'turn it around' at another club that just so happens to be tearing us apart at the time.

how do you know hes a disruptive influence? all the guys at the club may very love having him around.


Seanpb Fev is selfish. Same with Scotland. He and Scotland are negative influences on the playing group. He did not get one vote when the leadership group voted on who wold captain first in Whitnall's absence. Note Scotland didn't end up getting his turn.:wink:
It's all about Fev, why go the Footy Show when he was suspended by the club? He never talks team, give teammates a spray when they don't pass to him. He was never captain of the team, and his teammates certainly don't want him captain. Sure he is a gun player, but so was Lockett at St.Kilda.

Trade Fev, get rid of Scotland. Would move these guys on before Lance and Skinny.
What a joke. Be kidding about getting rid of Fev and Scotland. Scotland got votes again last week cutting up Luke Ball. You won't replace a player like Fev in the draft and I doubt a club will want to trade a big name for him anyway. Anyway, Fev's manager has insisted many times, reinterated again last Saturday, he won't be traded and having a contract if he doesn't want to go then he isn't going anywhere. Nothing anyone can do about that. Swann surprised me on the ABC last Saturday virtually saying that they'll keep Lance. I thought if his knee was shot he's better off gone. Lappin, under another coach he wants to play under, has plenty to offer and I'd like to keep him. Have to have some senior players in the side.

dont worry yourself with popeye.. he has little to no idea... :lol:


:lol: And you have? I forgot, the demi-god fo 10,000+posts on TC, how dare I have a different opinion.

Now Jim, Scotland didn't 'cut up' Ball, in fact, as per usual he didn't play on anybody.He gets cheap, useless possessions, bit like Synbad's posts really. The guy needs to be off loaded for the good of the team. And I don't think it matters if Fev's manager "reinterated" anything, the guy is GAWN - bit like when a club president comes out in support of a coach. These turkeys have had their chances, they are very poor leaders and set a bad example. If you want to keep these guys then good luck to ya, we'll just keep rolling out crap performances.

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popeye wrote:
Synbad wrote:
jim wrote:
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seanpb wrote:
i think saying fev plays for himself is a bit out of left field. sure he commits some selfish acts on the field, im not saying he doesnt...but so does every player. i certainly dont believe he plays for himself.

trading him could be a further blow for this team. before his little indiscretions last season he was captain of this team. i wanted him to be captain, so did heaps of others. id hate to see him 'turn it around' at another club that just so happens to be tearing us apart at the time.

how do you know hes a disruptive influence? all the guys at the club may very love having him around.


Seanpb Fev is selfish. Same with Scotland. He and Scotland are negative influences on the playing group. He did not get one vote when the leadership group voted on who wold captain first in Whitnall's absence. Note Scotland didn't end up getting his turn.:wink:
It's all about Fev, why go the Footy Show when he was suspended by the club? He never talks team, give teammates a spray when they don't pass to him. He was never captain of the team, and his teammates certainly don't want him captain. Sure he is a gun player, but so was Lockett at St.Kilda.

Trade Fev, get rid of Scotland. Would move these guys on before Lance and Skinny.
What a joke. Be kidding about getting rid of Fev and Scotland. Scotland got votes again last week cutting up Luke Ball. You won't replace a player like Fev in the draft and I doubt a club will want to trade a big name for him anyway. Anyway, Fev's manager has insisted many times, reinterated again last Saturday, he won't be traded and having a contract if he doesn't want to go then he isn't going anywhere. Nothing anyone can do about that. Swann surprised me on the ABC last Saturday virtually saying that they'll keep Lance. I thought if his knee was shot he's better off gone. Lappin, under another coach he wants to play under, has plenty to offer and I'd like to keep him. Have to have some senior players in the side.

dont worry yourself with popeye.. he has little to no idea... :lol:


:lol: And you have? I forgot, the demi-god fo 10,000+posts on TC, how dare I have a different opinion.

Now Jim, Scotland didn't 'cut up' Ball, in fact, as per usual he didn't play on anybody.He gets cheap, useless possessions, bit like Synbad's posts really. The guy needs to be off loaded for the good of the team. And I don't think it matters if Fev's manager "reinterated" anything, the guy is GAWN - bit like when a club president comes out in support of a coach. These turkeys have had their chances, they are very poor leaders and set a bad example. If you want to keep these guys then good luck to ya, we'll just keep rolling out crap performances.


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