1 and 3 are ours this year

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1 word for you synners



Melbourne!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

1 word for you synners



Melbourne!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

1 word for you synners



Melbourne!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

of all the times to triple-post

Four words to you dannyboy.

"Picks one and three."

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Greg Swann knows the imprortance of the PP more than anyone. The flith are past masters of it.

He said as much at the weekend in all his radio interviews. He won't let us muck this one up.

Jacobs
Austin
Edwards
Flint
Raso (if fit)
Benjamin... etc

theyre all going to get games.

But theyre expected to do their damnest to win games of footy!!!

Its not a tank "were in the business of winning games of football and were preparing for next year".

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Spot on Scotty,

I am sick to death of supporters wanting us to get beat so we get a priority pick.

Get it together people, losing games does more long term damage than you realise, it saps the spriit & fight out of people it is devisive & goes against every principle that sport is based on.

We need the "Carlton" spirit reinjected into the place & losing is NOT the Carlton way.

As far as I am concerned they can shove their PP as far up their asses as it will go, I want my team to win or give everything they have got trying.

A truckload of No:1 draft picks does not make a successful club, look at St Kilda, got a heap of them but couldn't find their way to a grand final with a bloody GPS system.

One of the best players I have ever seen James hird went in the 70's if I remember, so there is no guarantee that a PP will be a champion.

we need to shed this @#$%&! loser mentality & remember who we are & what we are & just keep working hard to rebuild the fabric of this club.

Yep. Lest win the next 5 games.

Then we should trade away our First, Second, Third, Fourth and Fifth Round Draft Picks - for 5 picks around 70+.

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Unfortunately there are those that have a losers mentality on this forum. Clubs like St.Kilda existed for these people who were somewhat 'limited' in their capacities shall we say. I guess the filter is not 100% foolproof.

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I love spinach

Yes... yes... lucky we won 10 a couple of years ago and prized JR and AH..
stuck it up Hawthorns drafting that year....Losers!!!

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QFT

It's like these people think of the players as robots or something, and that we need to do everything we can to make sure we get our mitts on the new and improved "AFL player ver 6.0", even if it means having our current crop of robots performing below par. So we get this new and improved robot, and then we turn the dial on our other robots back to maximum performance, give them a grease and oil change, and everything will fall into place like dominoes.

Newsflash: They're not @#$%&! robots. They're human beings, with feelings and a little thing called CONFIDENCE. Once confidence gets shot to pieces, it's VERY difficult to get it back again, and I can guarantee that after one week after another of being behind after 2+ hours (plus a week of training) of effort and commitment, the last thing these guys will be thinking about is "Well, at least I'm adding to the greater good" or "At least I'll be a decent player when our new #1 gets here". They're thinking "Wow, I embarassed myself in front of all these people today" or "If only I could kick straight, or not panic under pressure all the time".

Compound this negativity on top of itself and you'll not only have your current batch of players collapsing under the weight of their own doubt, but you'll be bringing another 2 or 3 kids into that culture, with their teammates already defeated in their minds and looking at these poor kids (who already have the weight of the world on their shoulders) as though they should be the ones to save them.

It's bullshit.

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#GUILTY

We have won 30 games out of 127 games in 6 years - so if that makes us winners - yay team.

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I was so sick of this argument 2 years ago.


I was so sick of this argument 1 year ago.


I am so sick of this argument now.


#1: We aint good.

#2: We can sometimes look not that bad.

#3: IF we get a PP plus our other 1st round pick, we maximise our chances of getting 2 very, very good players for our club.

#4: The PP plus any other 1st round draft pick do not come with an iron-clad guarantee. They might be great, they might not. Our 3rd round pick MAY ultimately end up being better for us.

#5: You play with the cards you are dealt. If we win more games this year and lose the PP....YAY! We can take that confidence and build on it.

If we lose everything, then we get a PP...and we can embrace that as consolation...not a reward

There are no guarantees.. but it does hedge your bets.

which in our position means everything!!

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For the first time on almost 50 years of being a supporter, I am hoping we lose. I accept the morale issue but if we put up a good fight and have 'honourable' losses, the morale won't suffer as much as it will if we get flogged every week like we have been.
I have posted against tanking in the pase (round 10 or so when we could have finished mid ladder) but at this stage it is a done deal we can't climb above about 14th.
Two picks would have to increase the probability of success over one by double if my maths serve me correctly.
And there is talk again of Fev going, maybe to the dogs for a pick around 8 plus a midfielder.
If we get three top 10 picks and a midfielder, even without Fev, we have a bigger base on which to build.
Yes, there are no guarantees but the bigger the base, the higher the possibility.
Look at Hawthorn and they still haven't blooded a couple of their potential stars (Bowyer for one)
We can pick sides that shouldn't win but the kids we play will still get experience and a thrill of playing their first game.
Lets do it. Winning one more game won't improve morale.
Winning six or eight or more next year will.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

If we are to win only 3 or 4 games next year, which is quite likely, do the rules mean we get the 2008 priority pick and the 2009 priority pick, or just the 2008 one?

Verbs, hopefully the AFL will do the right thing and will throw in Goddard, Wells , Mclean and Leunberger
We may never win again just to be sure!

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Or, to get the priority pick in 2009 you can't win any more thean 4 games for the year, have at least three players on your list whose surnames begin with X and a coach who has less than 75 games experience...as a player.