I too am old enough to remember and share Agro and Mickstars sentiment.

What should be a major plus (and has largely been overlooked by many here) is the marketability of a Voss appointment and what it does for the " Brand".

Corporate and Supporter momentum would sky rocket as it did back in 1965.

Be assured everything feeds off BOLD and innovative moves!

Voss has been quoted out of context there. He can't actually say what he would or would not do without admiting he has the coaching job, which he 's not ready to do yet.

All he's said is the perfectly obvious, that clubs don't trade talented footballers unles its a last resort. That's like saying the sky is blue. It's not an endorsement of Fev or a commitment to keep him if appointed coach.

I doubt Voss honestly believes that he will be able to get Fev to pull his head in when the last three coaches haven't been able too (esp when one of said coaches is reputed to be part of his team, or at the very least, a footballing mentor of his).

If we are incapable of landing a big fish.. Fev will most likely stay.

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I know Voss continued on from that statement saying that forwards such as Fev don't grow on trees and are hard to replace.

Process

WHat process are we following in our coaching recruiting? Same old Carlton crap, let's get a big name without any process at all. What will we get? A man with no coaching experience who thinks Fraser Gehrig is a great bloke to have a drink with, who gets himself embroiled in assualt charges, who is so arrogant he thinks experienec is for lesser men. What will we get with him? A few similarly inexperienced mates from Brisabane and a genius like Frawley.

Are we even going to talk to anyone else? Chris Bond, who was a close second to Lyon in the Saints selection process (the type of process we should have but never will because we are Carlton) won't talk about coaching until the end of the season. Are we even going to talk to him? Or don't we do that because we are Carlton and high profile is all we want.

And who is the genius presiding over this debacle? Sticks of course, great footballer, great Carlton man, terrible decison maker. He wanted O'Reilly because we needed a "big bastard" (even if that was a broken down hack), he wanted Britts then wanted him sacked, wanted Pagan and then wanted him sacked, -probably helped with Ackland's recruitment. Why is he involved at all in this? He wanted Pagan out then in, and in effect engineered the rift with Mitch and failed to solve it by refusing to allow Mitch to be sacked.

I have had a gutful of amateur hour at Carlton. If we go through a process and get the best, if that is Voss, then okay. But everything points to another half baked old fashioned out of touch bad decision by the bad news Blues.

Mark H or Stephen M please tell us we are going to get the best by searching and interviewing widely. Please tell me we are not going to just appoint a name. Please tell me we have decision makers at the club who actually remember the Tim Watson experiment. Just when I think things are looking up we appear to want to yet again show how dumb we are and how incapable of learning a lesson.

I can see your point Gerry- but some claim the interviewing has been going on for the past 10-12 weeks
all prospective coaches have been spoken to- Wallsy has been involved in interviewing candidates as well
look this is the stuff Im hearing- I know everybody is hearing a lot of different things-
lets just see how it all plays out but Im fairly confident its all signed sealed and delivered

Great post Gerry. I hope Josh is right and they are interviewing widely and professionally.

Completely agree with all those pointing out the comparison with 1965. Voss joining the club would be a boon for us re image, marketability etc etc.

I certainly don't have a problem with having an untried coach either. How many premiership coaches of the last 10 years have coached at senior level elsewhere first? Matthews only. Every other premiership coach was at their first club as coach.

Hiring Voss would also show the footy world that the club that had the most attraction to the most fancied prospective coach in years was Carlton. That's certainly worth something.

And yet...

Is it just me or does anyone else have a nagging doubt about Voss? Don't get me wrong - great player, great leader etc etc.

It's just that...

...well...

...I guess what I'm trying to say is...


...every time I listen to Michael Voss talk about football (or anything really) I can't help but feel that he might be just a little bit thick.

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I agree GWS, Voss is just too fresh out of the game. I'm worried too as a friend of mine who is usually in the know told me last weekend that he's a shoe in for the job next year.

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So maybe we should employ Dennis Cometti? He sounds brilliant , or Bwuce? He speaks extremely well!

Leave it to the pro's you twits.

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Pros like that proven decision maker S Kernahan EB?

If Voss gets the gig then I'll give him plenty of time to prove himself as I did with Pagan but it's hard not to agree with Gerry that from the outside at least this looks like another "We're Carlton @#$%&! the rest" scenario.

If it's Icke and Swann doing all this and there's been a longer process that we don't know about then I'll go with the flow but the fact that Kernahan has any influence around that club at all suggests we're still a bunch of hacks as a club.

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Tend to agree.......not sure if any process has been followed other than get the man with the biggest profile which is Voss.
After being pro Voss initially the more i see and hear of him and the many
ex players/coaches linked to him as prospective assistants/mentors the less I like what I am hearing
Danny Frawley as a mentor is the latest rumour.......I think Voss needs to aim a little higher if thats who he wants as a mentor.
I think Chris Bond and Mckenna have done the training and dont need this
road crew of mentors and deserve proper consideration.....Bond was super close to the Saints job and made a excellent presentation by all accounts....

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Voss is no scholar, but he's never had to be. Ever since he was a snapper footy has been his number 1 priority, and once it became obvious he was very good at it schooling and the like mattered little.

Great player. But not even he knows if he can coach.

I will be assessing things a little more after Saturday. You would think it will be a good indication of how far off the mark we are. If we are indeed 60+ points worse off than most other teams (just imagine if Melbourne had've played us with a full strength team), then Voss' job is not going to be an easy one, because no matter how hard you try to polish a turd, it's still a turd.

Theoretically, given Voss is seemingly locked in, what if Ratten win 3-4+ games with us and get the players playing with some real committment for him. I klnow what I would want then, irrespective of any decision that's been made. I'm happy enough with Voss but I thought now, given Ratten has the caretaker gig, they'd wait to see how he goes.

If Ratten wins 3-4 games then the club should have him hung, drawn and quartered for giving up the priority pick!

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[/quote]flower brittian, his a piece of shit, i never liked him. I was devasted that parkin left wit brittain as coach. Brittian was also a prick to me once as a kid. I dont want his face back at carlton.[/quote]

Mate your only pissed because Brittain wanted to get ridd of Fevola.
Wayne had every right to delist Fev at the end of that season. Fev has and always been a clown. Getting rid of Fev is probably the best thing for the Carlton Footbal club! When is hot he is hot but too often we have seen him act like 5 year old. He is getting into his late 20's now! One has to ask when this guy is going to grow up?!?!?

..well, there's little chance of us actually winning games regardless.. ..but, if Voss is signed and Ratts has no chance of coaching us next year, there's little incentive for him to tow the company line and aim for the pp.. ..Ratts could very well try his hardest to win since -if- we dont want him next year he'll want to get a win of few under his belt to look attractive to other clubs..

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I'm a bit the same. Very excited initially at the prospect of Voss. But the talk of some of the other names is not really inspiring. Hopefully it is just that ....talk. I have a lot of faith in Swann and trust that the end result will be a good one for the club.

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