Mitchell is the Bullants coach and Player development caoch.

Both of those are going crap.

Nuff said

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How so?

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Wont be an issue at the end of the season.....I dont see Mitchell staying on and if Voss gets the job then I dont see anyone in the footy dept staying.....
I blame Pagan for the Mitchell debacle...a bigger man would have put the team first, remembering it was Mitchell who was forced to move his office away from Pagan...

I thought Mitchell did an ok job .....

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I'm with buzzaaaah. I would not say I have disdain though, from all acounts he was invited to pitch for Pagan's job. Once he didn't get it, I agree, he should have resigned. I'm surprised the new board did not rectify the situation once they assumed power. From an outside perspective this is where I think Sticks' loyalty is potentially dangerous as it seems pretty clear, to me at least, that this is the only explanation as to why Mitchell wasn't asked/made to fall on his sword. If he was always seen as the more valuable commodity than Pagan then Denis should have been sacked at the start of the year.

Having Mitchell banished to the other side of the ground was as embarrassing for the club as it was stupid.

Whether Mitchell will be at the club in 2008 does not phase me greatly, what I am happy about is that the childish scenario that saw him unable to communicate with the club's senior coach (whoever was to blame) has now come to an end, even if it is only for 6 weeks.

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Even though I feel that Mitchell's death warrant has been signed, it's an important for Ratts to involve him immediately for the rest of this year. The fact is we need communication between our senior and reserves coaches, so I think it's a great move by Ratts to immediately bring down this wall that has been holding back our young players all year.

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if he was asked to submit an application

why should he fall on his sword?

some of you guys talk shit.

put it in a typical work place.

there is an open for a manager position, you have aspirations for the role, your boss knows it, tells you to go for it, but in the end the job goes to someone else.

do you quit?

of course you dont!

sometimes you guys can come up with some crazy idea

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The difference being that the job didn't go to someone else, it stayed with the incumbent, resulting in the ridiculous situation where the senior and reserve coaches were no longer on speaking terms. Mitchell's position was made untenable because he no longer functioned as part of the organisation, that being the Carlton Football Club.

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1. Mitchell should have waited until "his manager" had been sacked before making his pitch. That's how it works in the real world unless ofcourse your a .... of a guy.

2. Mitchell is not a very good coach and his record with the NB justifies my statement.

You think he wasn't told that Pagan was gone? The situation wasn't his fault it was the stooges who you guys voted in to replace the Elliott board.

Mitchell had a pretty good season last year with the ants and has suffered a bit this year with a few of his regulars being promoted. All the players like him and he has done wonders for a few guys who are starring now who had question marks over their careers.

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How so?

A good development coach shouldnt be judged on how many premierships he wins.
He is there to communicate with the younger players and accelerate their development. From all reports, the people involved value Mitchells contribution. Most importantly, the players value his work.

what are you making your assessments on Surrey?

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Agree...Mitchell was the fall guy after Sticks and the stooges buggered up the sacking of Pagan and left Mitchell's ar$e hanging....

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I'll tell you what I make the assessment on. Our drafted players hit the seniors and look lost. Collingwood players look like the y belong ditto Sydney amd Wet Toast. Even the rookies that Melbourne and Richmond have debuted looked better than ours.
Bowers looks like a rabbit caught in headlights. Russell appeared after 2 years at Bullants and looked un-ready, ditto Hartlett, etc etc. Is it posssible that they are all duds. Josh Kennedy hasnt progressed

Carazzo, Bentick, Walker allm improved markedly in the seniors.

Whoever thinks Mitchell is doing a good job can come up with something other than "the players love him".

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Bower, Kennedy and co are just babies. Carrazzo, Bentick and Simpson had to bang the door down to get a run in the seniors and Walker has basically been in the ones since the start like Gibbs and Murphy. Don't know who you've been following.

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Just like Wayne Brittain who failed at Richmond.

Mitchell may be a good development coach going by the improvement we've seen in Setanta. But he isn't a good match day coach and has failed to get a talented Bullants team over the line in the finals.

Mitchell should have walked when Pagan wasn't sacked.

The cone of silence that existed between Pagan and Mitchell has set us back. Barry deserves the blame for that situation and should have had the decency to walk after he failed to get Pagan's job. It's disgusting to see him back at training a day after Denis got in the neck.

I can't think of another organisation that would keep someone on after they tried and failed to knife a more senior person. You can't defend this unprofessional situation because the other party was Denis.

bullshit

take out there entire senior division (lets face it ours a shit and give us nothing)

and lets see how Thomas would go as the Prime Ball Mover?

etc..

seriously, 3 clubs you have picked couldnt be a worse example, when considering their Leadership groups.

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You could say it's disgusting Pagan didn't walk away considering he was voted out before the AFL intervened. Really the decision should have been made for him and they should have just terminated Pagan after the elections considering they were planning all along to turf him out.

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Now that Denis has been sacked, the next off the rank is Mitchell, then Sticks and Bear can say sayonara as well and that will put the whole sorry saga and the pathetic players in this bad soap opera to bed!

The whole thing has been an embarrassment of epic proportions.

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If you look at the facts Buzz, your criticisms are baseless and unfounded.

How have Collingwood and West Coasts players really performed comparatively?
Early midfield picks like Murphy, Gibbs, Pendlebury and Thomas will almost always be good players.

If you want to judge Russell, how has Chris Egan fared who came the pick after?
If you want to judge Bower, how has Danny Stanley or Ben McKinley fared?
McKinley only came in for his first game for West Coast 2 weeks ago. He lasted one game. Stanley has done stuff all.

I'd suggest Kennedy has played some excellent football in the VFL. I'd also suggest Bower. Blackwell and Hartlett have played some quality football.
The fact that they havent established themselves could hardly be placed completely at Mitchells feet.

The fact that they are coming in to the worst performed team for the past 5 years with zero leadership could be a contributing factor as well. Players tend to look like Rabbits in headlights when thats the environment they're playing in.

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The claim that the AFL vetoed Pagan's sacking is idle gossip. Jim Wilson claimed this and this was met with strong denials from Smorgon and the AFL. Is it entirely coincidental that he no longer graces our screens? Others suggest that the presentation by Mitchell was regarded as sub-standard and killed off any chance he had. Once the Board meeting had descended into farce, apologists for the Board would no doubt have seen some advantage in running with the conspiracy theory.

And in 2008 can go right back into it...


It wasn't his fault Smorgan and Co were gutless wonders and couldn't follow though. There was no way (without Pratt) they could pay pagan out. It was rubbish he was even asked to apply. After they back flipped, rightly or wrongly he should have been asked to step down. I'm amazed Swann and Co didn't fix this sooner... or maybe Mitchell is a good development/reserves coach and I know flower all

But he shouldn't have stayed, he and Pagan supposedly didn't speak and had no rapport. He knew the ramifications of applying for the top coaching job and should have been able to accept the penalty.

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