Lol. I have never been there yet, so if I do choose to take a jaunt and we win it will certainly be a cheerful time.

Was I only 19 when we last won at the SGC? I'm now 33. The future certainly does look bleak.

Pratt's saying exactly what he needs to say as President. If he said anything else, then the media is all onto it, and Pagan's position becomes untenable. While we all want that, Pratt doesn't want that to happen until HE is ready.

As long as Pagan is coach, he will be (and should be) supported by the Club in public, as you would expect form any professional organisation.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

So you could almost say Denis has the full support of the board, right Siegried? ...

Yep, as far as the public is concerned. In the inner sanctum, I have no doubt there is a different stpry going on.

Look what happened at Melbourne when Gardner came out and said that there would be a selection process including Psych testing that Daniher would have to be a part of if he wanted a new contract (ie no longer had full support of the board in the public domain)...

He made Daniher's position untenable, almost forcing him to resign. the same would happen if Pratt came out and said that Pagan hasn't coached well this year, his position would be untenable. If Pratt/Swann have an agenda in terms of change of coach (ie don't want it to happen till the end of the year) then they can't afford to undermine Pagan in any way in public.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

I have followed your posts for the last couple of years Brizzy, and I'd have to say that this is one of the better ones - although I can't agree with your proposed trades.

Personally, i'd like to see Fev traded for a ruckman first, then maybe a midfielder/halback and possible later pick.

With the midfielders that have come up in this years carnival, I think that we would be able to take a chance and still come up with a quality midfielder with our 2nd (Priority) pick.

Having said all that, who would be a suitable ruck swap?
I don't think that there a too many in the right age group that would be stand-outs, but maybe some together as a combination with a midfielder might be the go?

Maybe Seaby/Hurn and late pick for example?

I think that the worse the Eagles play, the better it will be for us at draft week.
Personally, I think Judd will stay at WCE - so rule out any Judd-Fevola swap.
With the likes of Priddis, Hurn, Kerr, Embley and Fletcher to back up Judd and the ageing cousins, I'd aim for Hurn.
His size would be a great bonus for our young midfield.

As for Rosa - ditto.
Gotta be Hurn and one of their talls. Cox (I wish!), Seaby or Graham (but that would require further boosting of the deal on WCE part).
You have to look at it from the point of view of the potential draftee as well.
I think Hurn would thrive on the sort of role that we would require of him, Seaby might want to step out from Cox's shadow, and someone like Graham would relish the opportunity to be playing regular footy, although he is more a key defender than a ruck option.

There is a whisper that WCE may entertain the thought of giving de-listed forward Brad Smith another lifeline, which would obviously be a cheaper option for them.
I hope not cos we need this trade to happen.

We could get for example Hurn and Seaby (plus a pick) for Fev, pick up eg Kruzer with the PP and maybe Palmer with pick 4.

The suggested Freo swap on here sends a shiver down my spine!

They may be saying that this is a shallow draft, but I am really looking forward to it.
If the new admin arrivals at the club live up to their reputations, then we should be able to really clean up this year.

As for the new coach, I'm sitting on the fence between McKenna and Ratts.
My heart says Ratts, my head says McKenna.

Anyway, good post Brizzy.

Perhaps his take no prisoners attitude as a player was a factor.

In Hutchie's PSSST Column in todays sunday age Dickie is quoted thus "Pagan is the coach of Carlton until the football subcommittee decides otherwise" "I won't interfere - whenever that it" And the pearler that surely shows his brain is addled .... "There's no reason why we should sack him. He's done a pretty good job. I can't see anyone doing it any better given the circumsatnces. But it's up to them. I'll have nothing to do with it"

that is a far cry earlier in the season when he esentailly said that he thought 10-11 wins would make pagan safe!!!!!

the sooner tye better for mine, especially after the inept effort by the midfields in defensive mode and the appalling shambles that was aour backline - and absoulte shambles (so who is the backilne coach,,, why libber so he can FO with pagan)

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one you knock back is one you never have

Thanks 4EB. I should have a new market tomorrow on the Coach race. I keep hearing that Bluey is firming. Interesting few days coming up.

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They Gathered for their Feast
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THE BLUEBAGGER BEAST IS BAACKK!!

Read between the lines

Pratt has to remain in support of the coach in public.... do you think he will say i have no confidence / Pagan may not see out the year.

HE bascially said that the decision is Swans he will make the decision for me. So if Pagan goes next week / next 3 weeks / End of Season Swan will announce and Pratt will just support Swans discision.

ON public all clubs will say the same thing / Behind the scenes a lot is happening.

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

LOOK get this through your brain matter.

EITHER Mr Pratt and co have already signed a coach for next year who is either already coaching (or assitant coaching) an AFL team or waiting to get off the playing list of an AFL team that plays out of brisbane. In other words contractually obliged.

OR

Mr Pratt and co do not know what they are doing and making the screaming hordes of Carlton supporters suffer unnecessarily by waiting till the end of the year when possibly all the best candidates are already gone.

Now seriously, what would you have your money on?

Just sit back and enjoy the last 7 (hopefully losses) and wait for the good times to roll in).

You do not make $5B and keep it over a lifetime by being dumb.

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Welcome back Jarusa.

Who can I get on with, should I opt for option (a)?

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Ever heard of a caretaker coach that can come in until this new person is ready?

Pagan is a cancer that is destroying our club and should be cut out immediately.

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1. Walker,
2. Menzel,
3. Murphy,
4. Gibbs,
5. Judd.

steady on mate. jesus christ. a cancer?? how about just saying he is not the coach for us?

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Back like a raging case of pubic lice

well said.

I'm pretty sure that Elliott gave his support to Brittain publicly up until the day he sacked him. Same could be said of Presidents with any one of a number of coaches. In fact, we've just seen what happens when a President withdraws support for a coach from the middle of nowhere (it happened at Melbourne, and it is happening at Fremantle). It hasn't done either of these clubs any favours.

I'd be disappointed if I didn't hear Pratt offering Denis his full support.

Of course, I hope that he is acting somewhat differently behind the scenes

I stand by my statement. When everything that is under his control is either dead or dying what better description would you use?

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1. Walker,
2. Menzel,
3. Murphy,
4. Gibbs,
5. Judd.

Trouble is that Ratten is the logical caretaker. And if he's not the chosen one, and he coaches us to 7 wins for the remainder of the year, that's when the trouble starts.

Remember the Wallace going to Sydney scenario, but the players wanting Roos?

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"I had to eat"

I agree that if Pratt doesn't want Pagan sacked next week then he has to offer his support in public.

I'm not so sure about this "behind the scenes" stuff. I'm pleased with the timing of ND's departure and the fact that we can openly search for the best candidate and get him in place and making his list assessment well before trade period.

I think Riley is doing an excellent job of playing the kids and unfortunately we won the unwinnable game against you. We wont win again until R22.

I think there is no chance that Ratten is your first or even second choice because if he was Pagan would be sacked and Ratts installed as caretaker ahead of being signed in. I think Voss fits the clandestine strategy, and I've only heard bad about McKenna.

There's almost as much risk of Denis arsing a win as there is of a new coach inspired win.

Just find a flaming way to win, will ya!

I agree. I somehow get the feeling that we may be stalling to see if the dominoes start falling and Pagan walks saving us a payout.
C'mon Dockers, do the deed!!

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There's so much I could say...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

I've got $100 on DP being the next sacked at $6. We need it to happen before it's mathematically impossible for the shockers to make the 8.