Synbad, we will agree to disagree. But unlike many other things you have been adamant about over the years, this time, there doesn't seem to be that many people on here agreeing with you.

Most people seem to think the Club did it well, or that Fev has been victimised.

So, looks like you're mostly on your own on this one.

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Synners, what do you think the club should have done in this instance. What should they have done that would be markedly different to what they did, but significantly improve their chances of getting the best trade value for him? You have constantly said that what they did was stupidity at their maximum and would decrease his trade value, but you never said what you think should have been done instead. Or I might have just missed it. There are quite a bit of posts you know...

I know that Swanny doesn't mind a punt though!!

Number 1 , i think this club has historicallly been shithouse in man management under Pagan.
Number 2, if they think Fev is childish .. just treat him like anyone else .
Drop him!
Why would you grandstand the situation ?
The Crows have already noted it...
And so has anyone else except people wanting scapegoats for our embarssing performances over the time Pagan has been here...
The difference with Fevola is at least he has thrilled us during this time too.
Were just weighing him down with how we treated the situation.. and we just make things harder for ourselves to trade him.

If you want to trade him you just talk him up like Malthouse talked up Tarrant and get something for him...

On the other hand ive had a good look at the way we deal at trade time.

Drop our pants and bend over!!!

It was knee jerk!..


And its going to cost us...

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When youre hussling it is all about what other people think you have in your pocket that counts not what you actually have in your pocket!..

I have never ever ever heard of anyone doing a sales job after running the product down openly....

Thats simply done for your eyes.. the supporter..
But its harmful for the club....

Make no mistake!

Its abit like the Sticks 'We're Carlton @#$%&! the Rest" statement..

DUMB!... worked 50 years ago.. doesnt work today.

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My goodness...........

drop our pants........bend over.........knee jerk............!

THAT'S not what we paid for Mr Syn............!

it's all gone horribly wrong.........!


kindest regards tommi

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Hahahahahaha...yeah, my thoughts exactly. I ain't dropping my pants and bending over for ANYONE! My ass is sacred.

Well five years with Denis and you have no feeling left...

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Yes Xsing............

but what about ya KNEES..............?


kindest regards tommi

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Don't bring Pagan into it. Without Pagan, there wouldn't have been this discussion. Fev wouldn't have been at Carlton.



He has been embarrassed in the media for a very long time and it doesn't seem to change him. He has played in a game where he has been moved to fullback to play on Gehrig and it hasn't changed him. This public humiliation can be seen by more ppl than dropping him to the Bullants. Dropping him would do nothing to fuel him anymore.



To let other clubs know to prepare offers for him.



I replied to this in your other thread.



It's not enough just to "thrill" us every once in a while or every 1 year in 3 or 5. We need a consistent effort and mentality from him.



Oooh...I don't think he is being weighed down by us. I think he has personal issues which he needs to deal with himself. We are paying him good money to do a job. But if he is getting distracted or not playing to team rules, he cannot blame the club.



Again, we do not need to talk up Fev. His magic is out there for all to see. Everyone knows what he can do. Bombing goals from outside 50 on a regular basis does not get unnoticed. Just like his negative side, we don't need to hide it. The three blind mice can see it.

If Pagan is going to claim all the credit for Fevola when hes a good player.. surely he has to take responsibility when he is in a hole???

You cant have it both ways can you???

Oh thats right!!!.. he doesnt take responsibilty for anything!!!

When we like his goals from outside fifty its all good.. but if he misses we should set up a press conference to shallack him??
Not too sure what youre saying here...

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Exsing...Synbad has his belief, and isn't going to change it.

He has made his point, you and I and other have made ours. We've kind of come to a deadend...or a roundabout.

No real point keeping up the dialogue, we're just going around in circles.

So, I invite input from anyone else who may have different thoughts on the matter, lest we have another 10 pages of the same argument...

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WHAT'S a matter.............?


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obviously i got NUTHIN..............!

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Not saying Pagan shouldn't take any responsibility. But this thread is not about Pagan. There are other threads asking for Pagan's head. But not this one.

You are right, we can't have it both ways, but this thread is about Fev, not Pagan.

I was saying there is no need to talk him up. What more could you say about his football abilities that the other clubs don't know? Or did you mean talk up his character? Geez...good luck with that. It's not like the club is going to come out and say "Fev is a changed person and he's been helping out at the Salvos every weekend and helping little old ladies cross the street...". If anything, THAT would sound alarm bells to the other clubs NOT to recruit him.

Hahaha...I just love a good discussion. I think Carlton supporters generally are just stubborn people. We are a proud bunch. Not a bad thing.

Plus the irony is that I love Fev. He is a BLOODY GREAT player. It's just such a shame that he cannot conform...

I find the argument that dropping Fevola would have created any less press than actually having a press conference and explaining a 1 week suspension to be purely hypothetical and illogical.

The media circus of dropping our only A grader without explanation (Would anyone accept 'form' whilst we're on the bottom? Get off the grass!) and then making our only superstar front up at Cramer St would be far more embarrassing for mine.

I think they handled it well. We're in a tough situation on-field and we can't have our senior players stop play when it suits them. I can't vouch for the rumours on the day but something had to be done. Putting him in the 2's could not possibly have created less innuendo - it would have continued all week, and then some.

What innuendo would it have created???


Hes out of form and hes a player like everybody else.


"This week 2 senior players get dropped Fev and Saddington..(Kouta should too for doing bugger all..).. anyway.... were drawing a line in the sdand.. everybody is the same and if youre not performing youre playing VFL"

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For starters it would not have been known until thursday night.

Just drop him like you would any other player. He is out of form and had some discipline issues. The reasons many players get dropped.

The footy news cycle goes in peaks and troughs. Monday, tuesday, wednesday there is not much to talk about so it is a time for opinion and issues focused stuff.

By thursday through to the weekend it is a much busier time and the papers are filled with team news for every team, possible match-ups and discussions of the upcoming games.

If Fevola was dropped like any normal player should be there might have been a mention here or there about the club getting tough. But there would have been far too many other articles that needed to be written on the upcoming games to allow anything like the speculation that has happened during this week.

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I think Grant Thomas summed it up well when he said the gap between Fev's best and worst is too great.

However I differ from a few on the forum here, in that I believe the coach has a major role to play in keeping players spirits up when times are tough. Pagan has never been able to do this. He just doesn't possess this quality and therefore has become redundant as coach of our club.

Fev IMO would greatly benefit from a coach who is an ex-player. Lets use Voss as an example. And here Voss is the best example because he experienced the wooden spoon times at Brisbane and then the rise to the top that followed. He knows the discipline required to get thru those times and come out on top. And this my friends is what we are greatly lacking and have been all the way thru these dark times. DISCIPLINE. In all aspects of our club. Onfield we dont have any and offfield the same.

We require a coach to re-instill discipline and pride back into our playing group and we need this to start happening soon before many other players on our list start to spiral downwards.

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And there would have been no media blaming Fevola for the weekend's debacle, or at least his part in it, spending long periods of time off the ground? Nothing on how long the team could put up with our only A grader not performing? No article at all on Pav overtaking Fev for the goal-kicking whilst Fev sat on the bench? And there would have been no media at Cramer St watching him run around in red & white?

Either way he's innuendo during the week and front page news at some part of it. Maybe there was some mileage in sitting within the Cousins / Didak cover stories where its 'just another Footy Star in strife' rather than all about Carlton. What has happened is they've tried to take control of the situation. I think it's commendable.