I heard that too. This is disturbing considering Swanny yesterday saying Fev hasnt had a drink all year.

The elephant is about get trampled - his time is up and anyone can see that Fev's suspension had nothing to do with DP and everything to do with the new management getting sick of the BS that the players think they can dictate.

Swann flexing is muscles if Carlton is probably what he wanted to do a Collingwood but for the power that Malthouse yields versus DP, this was not an option.

TheGame



The one common denominator won't be there for much longer, but don't delude yourself in thinking that past champions weren't also trying to screw the club as well.

The last time I checked, getting screwed worked both ways.

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Fev is gone, Pagan (hopefully) is gone....


they may both end up at the same club.


We should get on the front foot and say look, denis is gone next year, we are interviewing candidates and are happy for denis to go and speak to prospective employers. We have deemed that denis has had significant time to do something with our team and that hasnt happened. Denis is disappointed in the teams performance and we agree this is the best outcome for both parties.

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Back like a raging case of pubic lice

Everything that brings controversy to Carlton shits me; everything!

That includes:

Pagan (The right coach for Carlton? Disunity rumours? Communication breakdown with players; unable to develop the kids)

Mitchell (unfortunately fate hasn't served him well; always will be associated with Pagan's inability to act professionally)

Fevola (Disrepect towards the club, the players, the team and to himself)

Ackland (Taken the money but hasn't turned up to work; he's a fraud; we're stuck with him; can't Pagan motivate him?)

Saddington (swapped selection 51; Swans get the better end of the deal; Carlton look foolish; Saddo is a fraud)

Lance: (knew he hadn't done a preseason; he wanted the captaincy, but wasn't prepared to give what that title requires)

McLaren (came to Carlton for opportunity to be first ruck; yet he can't compete; he's can't dominate the ressies; fraud)

Lets clean out the crap!! You have my blessing Swanny.

And whilst you're there, lets hear of some announcements of eminent retirement plans at the end of this season from Kouta, Teague and Lappin (let em leave with their heads held high, and give 'em a good send off).

That's plenty of cleaning out for 2007, and in 2008 we can look at the retirement of the following (unless they show more than just heart, ie show some real footy talent): Cloke, Bannister, Wiggins...and get finally rid of Ackland!!

Oh, and Swanny, whilst you're there, please get the new coach on board before the trade/ draft period, because I don't want Pagan going anywhere near the important list decisions.

I've had enough of controversy around this club, lets make 2007 the end of the blackest era for our club!! Clean the slate.

Lets get a few more high draft picks, and lets get this show on the road.

Go The New Young Navy Blues!

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There has never been even a hint that either of these players have done anything other than give their all for the club. I know there is no greater sin in your eyes than to be a sub-200cm ruckman bondi, but that's what he was before we drafted him, and the only way to call him a fraud would be if he'd fronted to interviews with a dodgy tape measure pretending he was taller than he is.

Same with Saddo. Fraud? No. Just not good enough? Looks like it.

You dont' have to like them bondi, but unless you've heard something I haven't, neither of these players deserve to have shots taken at their character. Stick to their football abilities if you need to criticise, or more to the point, have a crack at those who recruited them.

Spot on!

The most important point there was the point about the new coach choosing the players with Icke in the draft.

WE DONT WANT PAGAN ANYWHERE NEAR THE TRADING TABLE!

He has [REDACTED] everything up to now...dont let him @#$%&! everything for the future!

Make Ackland be the waterboy...he would be more useful

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They coud'nt.....could they?

You would hope that Fev shows up Thurs to meet Swann Pagan whoever and says, I can't wait till Monday. I want to be a Blue and I want to play in our next flag.

Whether the punishment is too harsh or not isnt relevant at this stage. Its how fev reacts.

Whether he cops it on the chin and turns himself around or decides that the world is against him and he hasnt done anything wrong. Thats what this is about. Its a challenge of character

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This could be a good excuse to sack Pagan.

All contracts have out clauses/ inept performance/KPI's.

How could Pagan have met his KPI's in the last 5 years?

I dont know contractual law, but isn't there grounds for the contract to be nullified?

Shit if I was a s poor as Pagan I would be sacked in a jiffy!

How does this snake survive?

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They coud'nt.....could they?

who do we need an excuse to sack him?

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dane's trolling again

He wont go away!

I am starting to have nightmares.........

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They coud'nt.....could they?

Just on SEN - Fev's manager saying Fev was not out on Fri night. A beat up from Langdon.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

i did have a dream with pagan in it last night... this is truly fuck-ing with me.

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dane's trolling again

After the initial shock has settled, i tend to agree with what the match committee has done. By dropping Fev, the ball is in his court. The press, as always, look for the most shocking angle possible. Thats what sells papers. Nobody said we are getting rid of him other than the journos.

By dropping Fev we have taken a stand similar to what Geelong did with Steve Johnson. They punished him for being a tool and gave him 6 weeks off. Look how Johnson has played since he came back. Hopefully Fev does the same thing. If he does, the club will be the big winner in all of this.

If he doesnt, we trade him, simple as that. We also hold the key here as he is still contracted to us. Brisbanes 1st pick and Leunberger or Richmonds first 2 picks would suffice. If they dont want to part with them, then we wont part with him.

I cannot see how we can lose from this situation.

here's a little some thing i heard - cant say how true but pretty close

Fev's little tamtrum is a build up of frustration, it started weeks back with Swanny not letting him appear on the footy show until he improved onfield performances.

Some team mates have let it be known (waitey) they not putting up with his crap.

Waitey was then made captain - Fev furious.

He is a little frustrated because his closets allie Denis is playing puppet to the management above and knows he is gone.

With out Denis Fev is a dead man walking, Denis goes into bat for him but has lost sticks

This seems like a more likely scenario than the one of him being in a nightclub or dancing till 8am at the burswood, or playing in Las Vegas or whatever it is.

OK. so I thought Fev. deserved the captaincy - but let it go. Who cares about it in the big scheme of things?

He has the Coleman, he has the Michael Tuck - they are far more valued than carlton captaincy - especially these days.

Let go of your anger, Fev. And turn to the non-dark side - don't let bitterness eat you up.

Absolutely.

And I'm not surprised to hear snippets of player disenchantment towards Fev. There's some guys there busting a gut to win the ball and get it to his advantage, but it's no secret that we're not the most scientific of teams playing the game, so opposition teams seem to work us out pretty easily therefore making it harder for the guys up the field to win the ball effectively.

On top of that the timing of Fev's initial dummy spit against Freo would have pissed me off no end if I was on the field playing for Carlton. If Fev has a poor start he often drops his bundle for the rest of the game. And his Freo "performance" was no different.

John Worsfold said on Foxtel last night, "you don't need any player that's not focused on the team's best interests, it doesn't matter if it's Ben Cousins, or your 6th ranked rookie", or words to that effect.

I've defended Fev quite a lot in the past. But I can see where the club, the players, the CEO, the coaches, the board, or whoever was involved in this decision is coming from. It seems winning the Coleman medal was a bit of poisoned chalice for Fev. I reckon he's just expecting things to go his way because he's the "best". It doesn't work like that though, does it.

I wonder if Fev has ever heard the words "continual improvement"?

The challenge has been set, how he reacts will speak volumes.

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Poor Fev, by the sounds of it ,he was just having a latenight playing a game of Texas Holdem by reports

His manager says he wasn't drinking.

I don't see any issue with a player having a life outside football. He might have lost a bit of sleep, but AFL players probably dont get up till 10am anyway, so probably still got his 7-8hours sleep.

Andy Roddick, Michael Jordan and heaps of other sports people gamble, oh hangon, i forgot this is the AFL and they can't have a life, they have to be tucked in bed by 10pm with their teddy bears. Thats due to them being role models and all kids look up to them, yeah right, the only role models should be your parents.

If he didnt give away two 50m penalties then there would be no relation to thurs night and he wouldnt be suspended

I hope Fev comes back, pulls his head in and sticks it up all you guys talking about trading him.

You don't lose a key forward because the coach is a twit and cant manage him. A new coach will come in and manage him properly.

Once Fev is gone you will be wishing we still had him, l guarantee that

If only life really was as simplistic as you make it out to be...

1. Not all of us have two parents, but that's by the by. I take your point about role models, but happen to disagree with it.
2. How do you know it was only the coach who decided on this suspension. What if some of the players had a say, sack them all as well? The board? Swann? Get rid of anyone who made this decision, is that it?
3. Parkin and Brittain are also twits I assume.

If Fevola is upsetting team balance and not doing the right thing by the team then why shouldn't he be held accountable? These issues have been prevalent for most of Fev's football career, they didn't just magically appear after two 50m penalties last weekend. Life's not as simple as being tucked in bed with your teddy bear. I thought you knew that.

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Can you imagine this forum if Fev ends up on the Footy Show this Thursday night

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The 100 metre penalty didn't piss me off as much as the 80 metre shot at goal with Smurph waiting by himself for the pass.

That to me was the glaring and most shocking example of lack of team play.

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