Fevolanonstopscreamingforpushinthebackitis.

So sad.

I was prepared for an honourable loss, but not a mauling.

Midfielders and rucks are desperately needed.

This highlights the reality that developing a premiership team is a long and arduous task with many false hopes appearing in front of you asking you to believe that finally, you are at the end of your ordeal.

but like mirages in the desert - these hopes look so real, but instead vanish before your eyes as you approach them.

The new Carlton that is the team that finally delivers is unusual in that we only know that they are the new Carlton after the fact - as far as everyone is concerned beforehand - we just have a developing team on the park and nothing more.

So yes, there will be changes and yes we will gradually get better despite setbacks like this week, but the new Carlton players dont finally gel as a formidable unit until close to the end of that fateful season.

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This one hurts the most...............

I hope it hurts the bloody players ten times more!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think you put it perfectly Blueman. The last two wins had us thinking that we were turning the corner only to realise that the corner is a lot bigger than we thought.

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Sad.
Sadder
Saddest

Bye bye

Pagan,
Lance,
Saddo,
Kouta,
McLaren,
Teague, (at least he shows a bit of heart)

Piss off

Ackland (pathetic)

On Notice

many who played last night, including those who may have resurrected their career over the last 2 weeks.

We need ruckmen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need some serious pace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need a new captain and coach !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still believe we have collected a good list of kids since 2004 that but will take another 2 preseasons and a good young coach to get to where Dorks are; their recruiting of young players started in 2001. So we're at least a year or two behind them...unless...nah...don't frrl like going there this week.

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I'm not gonna come on here and blame the players like most in the media world are doing at the moment.

These players are good. I'm tired of hearing otherwise. And if we continue to blame these players then we wont see kids like Walker & Simpson sign another contract. They'll go elsewhere..............where they are appreciated.

These are good kids. And good players.

I almost chocked on my coffee this morning when i read that Whitnall has failed to train properly for the last 5 weeks due to a Knee Injury.

If that's true, then WHY PLAY HIM????

These players were confused and lost. None of them had any direction. Some gave up..........THOSE are the ones i would be dropping.

Whitnall & Ackland for starters. Ackland has not impressed me one bit. Drop him and bring in Aisakie or Kennedy.

Whitnall was piss-poor. But i kinda see why now, if he's carrying an injury for the love of god rest him.

Saddington was god-awfull last night. But in his defense, he had little or no support from anybody else. He has been good these past couple of weeks.

The tackle on Murphy was, or atleast should have been a massive warning sign to what things might follow for the second half of the year. I've been watching Murphy for almost 3 years now and it extremly rare to EVER see him tackled like that. Infact, i don't think i ever have.

The poor kid had nothing to do. He had nobody to kick to, cause nobody knew where to lead or how to assist. THAT in itself should proove that we lack direction & leadership!

I don't know what to say anymore...........................This will continue on and on and on unless something is done.

We are such a better club since Smorgon & Malouf were 'outted'

There is one more to go.........................untill that happenes we will continue to FAIL as a team!

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Yep Makes great sense to go back to the game plan we have been playing for 4 years and getting consistently smashed because our oppostion double team him and we don't use the loose players as an attacking option.

Love to see us get consistently smashed by 100 points 5 or 6 times a year with this game plan. Great way to move forward to finals contention.

I have been happy with Fevola over the past 4 weeks. Doing his job. Did his job last night. One of the few. Fisher contested and didn't allow Brown to completely overwhelm him after Waite was moved down back.

Biggest problem. Our midfield is SLOW and unaccountable for pacy opposition with a willingness to run and create, and an intensity to get the flower ball.
Turnovers. flower lamentable. Carrazzo had what.. 30 touches. 3 effective ones. Foolihan continues to use his silky skills to provide the opponent with a lot of quality ball.
Was immediately worried when Whitnall went down back at the start of the game.Whitnall should NEVER go near a backline ever again. How come Pagan doesn't understand this??? IF he is injured, don't play him. If he is fit, play him out of the square with Fevalio. If he needs a break, give him one. Not saying drop him but he wasn't great tonight.
We need a stable backline who are going to be accountable and we need midfielders who are AWARE of their surroundings and willing to bust a gut to run with an opponent or get to a contest.
Oh.. and as everyone has said.. we need 2 quality ruckmen. Taylor and Campbell, whilst not quality ruckmen yet, gave an armchair ride to those blokes and they just laughed at us.
Very few blokes could hold their heads high. Fevola who kicked three from limited opportunities. Gibbs who looked slow on McGlynn but tried his arse off, Murphy, Walker and Fisher were the only blokes who deserved to wear the Navy Blue tonight.
It was insipid, lamentable, deplorable, demoralising vapid and completely anemic.

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Absolutely Gavroman.We are kidding ourselves if we think we dont need more top end talent.This is the best chance to take advantage of the rules and get back on even ground with other teams.We will be destined for middle table finishes for the next 4+ years if we dont clean up while we can.

Talking about embarrasing, I have just been watching the Adelaide -North Game.

How Parkin ever traded Massie for Eccles is a @#$%&! disgrace.

No wonder we are where we are

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There are a few around here who are doing a whole lot more physical to themselves than just kidding themselves on their assessment of our list.

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re:Kris Massie ...is a handy player but I doubt if he would have had much impact vs Hawthorn....
Eccles kicking wouldnt have been noticed as most of our players couldnt hit a target...

re: Ackland.....not too many on TC were happy with his recruiting including myself but we are stuck with him and I would be taking the view that he is now the backup ruckman and that Aisake, Jacobs or Hampson have to be nurtured in the No 1 position...
Campbell and Taylor are nothing special but since Everitt has departed have prospered with the extra responsibility.....

It was bad loss in terms of the fact there was no fightback....a good team can loose but we showed little fight and there was no one to inspire us to fight back....Lance needs replacing as captain at the end of the year and a few senior players need to retire.
Hawthorn are a couple of drafts ahead of us and we need to continue to assemble a better group of A grade talent....Murphy, Gibbs and Walker need a couple of A grade mates to help them out.....

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Hawthorn were very good. Carlton were very bad. We were bad because:

1) Rucks. Ackland = Hopeless. Reputation has lost all credibility.
Setanta = Just needs time. We have Aisake, Hampson and Jacobs coming through, but they are still years away. Cloke was huge loss.

2) Defense. Have lost patience with recycled players. Bower and Hartlett need game time to develop into KPPs.

3) Midfield. Our midfield is a mosquito fleet - they're young and small. They're raw talent makes bad sides look silly, but against experienced, stronger sides, we are outmuscled and we panic. We need bigger, older bodies, and leadership. Stevens was a huge loss.

4) Forward line. I'm sick of seeing our forwards cramp each other, namely Fisher and Fev running into each other - I saw (can't remember) Waite and Whitnall both mark the ball in the square - we got a goal, but there were four Carlton hands on the ball! Once these problems are fixed, our forward line will be beastly. When the delivery is good, our forwards go to town.

PS: I'm sick of Houlihan knockers; He makes mistakes, but he has natural skill that can create from the wing. He's not a star, but he's a good player.

This was symptomatic of our abysmal attitude towards the National Draft during Parkin's tenure.

His philosophy was completely flawed as he preferred mature bodied players from the WAFL, SANFL etc rather than picking the talented crop of youngsters on offer in the Under 18 level. When we did pick these Under 18 players we preferred the "man-child" types like Vance and Whitnall who monstered their teamates in the Under 18 level - but had no upside going forward into the AFL.

Hawthorn must be thanking there lucky stars that they did not take any notice of Parkin's philosophy when he went back there after his tenure at Carlton finished - otherwise they would be in a right mess now.

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I think you have your views all wrong.
I dont make any difference on gameday....
I dont have to chase.
I dont have to run.
I dont have to kick goals.
I dont have to tackle..
I dont have to stay fit.
I dont have to lead the team out on gameday
As a matter of fact im not even paid to do any of those things.
I pay myself... and you can bet your bottom dollar.. i live and die by what i do with my own chosen profession...
I dont bludge or cheat or take shortcuts... cos if i do ill get devestated by the competition im against.

I dont even know.. how i get the blame by what happens out there on gamedays.
As a matter of fact... even though we won last week.. Lance was carved up by a second gamer...!!

So i dont get your point....

I know its frustrating but youre actually blaming the wrong bloke for another 100 point loss.. and another insipid display by blokes that have little pride in themselves and in the jumper they wear or the supporters they play infront.
Even more devestating to the club.. they dont seem to care that a bunch of kids are left to carry the can.. while they point...

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I get no joy out of I told you so.

But over the past few weeks there have been some who seriously considered that this list was the one to take us to the next level and that we could top it up with a Pick 5 and 21 this year and right oh we would be top eight next year and top 4 in 2009.

Hawthorn should have sent a clear wake up call to our MC as to where Carlton is at and what we should be doing to take us away from where we are currently at to a place where we all want to be and that is on top of the pile for a good number of years.

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Oh yes you do

Whilst our performance was unacceptable, it's only one game. So you post about a wake up call to the MC - then outline your blueprint (no pun intended).

Let me guess - tanking. Agro your negativity astounds me - I'll say it again go barrack for St Kilda or Freo.

Of course you (collective) don't consider how much this gutts the players, how much continually loses gutts them and supporters. I see the Bulldogs won tonight, so our win against them was a fluke right.

Last night Banno played OK, he is worth perservering with and 2 out of 3 aint bad right. Yes there are a couple of players who should be feeling uneasy at the selection table but FFS let's not panic and get back into this crap talk about tanking and where we are at. Let's see where we are after a complete season, then considered decisions can be made. This is the Pratt way. He didn't become successful by being a loser.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Tank or not to tank I don't give a flower.

Reality is that many belive our list is better than it really is. For example the Hawks have great youngsters in the waiting who did not play Friday night eg, Bailey, Dowler, Franklin, Little, Moss, Muston, Renouf & Thorp - some quality youngsters in that list. Our youngsters that did not play Friday night cannot be compared to that list.

We have at least 12 players that should play each week and at best we can be competitive when we have our best 22 on the park. To be a serious top 4 challenger you must have at least 30 players that can genuienly contribute.

Just because they wear a Carlton jumper it doesn't mean they will all become great players - I appreciate some want to be positive about ALL our players but some will not take us to the next step - and we have many steps to take.

Friday night was a serious wake up call - So what we beat the Dogs and Port - these sides do not cop floggings like we do and in fact besides the Tigers we are the only side that cops hiding of 60+ points.

We are two to three years away before we could actually be a serious contender for the eight. I rather our position than the Bombers. They may be in the top 6 but each week there best players include: Hird, Lucas, Lloyd & Fletcher. No good being in the top 6 if you are only making the numbers. We need to do this right and we need an injection of another 6 to 10 good draftees.

Hawthorn should be admired for their list - they have recruited very well. They target players that attack the football hard - may not be the fastest player but they can use the football eg Lewis, Sewell and Mitchell. Our slower players do not use the football well enough - no need to mention names.

I think Fev should be playing finals footy and let's be honest - Carlton are way off playing finals.

Fev has given enough to this club. He won us the 2005 wizard cup and got us into the final of the 2007 nab cup single-handedly with that win over North.


It is time to give back and let him be on the stage he deserves to be on - the finals footy stage. He should be remembered for what he would do in finals - not for playing for some team that finishes 12-16th every year.


I have no problems if Fev. plays for another club, which ever club it is I wish him well and hope he gets what he richly deserves - a premiership.


p.s that contested mark he took on the weekend was a great footy moment. Thanks Fev for at least giving me one bright moment out of a pretty dismal game.