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Waite made some galling mistakes - but his intercept of the handpass to McLeod made up for that alone. Great footy moment.

Walker - love his speed and run.

Kouta - had presence when Carlton were challenging

Houlihan - he made mince meat out of McLeod...who would have thought that was possible?

Simpson - another great running display.


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delivery into the forward line.

Carlton can only win if the runners are breaking the lines into the forward line - not kicking from stationary marks/free kicks. That makes it too predictable for the defence... a long bomb.. who would have thought?


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keogh wrote:
Kouta was great after half time but has lost so much pace and relys totally on strength and experience. I still think it was a bad move to play him this year.


Kouta kept us in the game in the second half and showed why he still can be so important to the team (particularly while Stevens is out). A big body around the contests that is one of the best clearance players out there. Yes he has slowed down. But pace isn't everything when you have quick hands, quick/good decision making and use the ball pretty well.


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My Positives

19yo Joe Anderson, for his determination and grit. Joey would have eyes only for the contest even if a semi -trailor was bearing down on him. He loves being at the bottom of the pack. He has the courage, agility, reach, pace & grunt to be a rock of our defense for years to come. With more ground time will come better decision making and poise.
Joe is one reason why I’ll sign up next year.

19yo Josh Kennedy, for his determination & grit. That one piece of play yesterday where he courageously ran back & took that spinning mark with 2 Adelaide players bearing down on him showed he has natural courage, athleticism, skill & want. With more gametime and opportunity in a given role, he will start to show his potential. Just needs REAL opportunity.

23yo Jarred Waite, for his natural flair. He finally seems to have overcome the nagging injury niggles of past seasons and is now free in his movements to show his athleticism. With continued gametime his decision making, fluency & consistency will improve and finally we’ll see Jarrod Waite the AFL star.
Would love to see him own the CHB position.

23yo Andrew Carrazzo, for his determination & grit. His skills have greatly improved. In future years he will be the presence in the middle and pave the way for our natural playmakers in Murph, Gibbs, Simmo, Stevo etc. With more groundtime and confidence in belonging his decision making will improve.

18yo Bryce Gibbs. All I can say is WOW. The poise, decision making & skill shown yesterday from this young bloke was unbelievable. To be doing what he’s doing at such a young age is special and I know by reading some of the posts lately re Bryce that a lot of people don’t really understand the talent we have.
This young fella is absolutely special.

19yo Marc Murphy. What an inspiration this young leader is. He has taken on the responsibility, which includes the physical beltings and harassment, only a seasoned 24yo midfielder should be taking on. Again, I don’t think people really understand what this young warrior is currently going through.
An absolute gun leader who should be contractually recognized as such.

23yo Setanta O’hAilpin. True to his name, he is a true warrior. A huge moment for him yesterday to be given the responsibility of kicking out from a point .. fantastic to see. If left to settle as a key defender he will be a huge presence for us come finals time.


With determined and skilled young players like AW, Simmo, Jacko, Blackers, Aisake, Flint, Hampson, Grigg, Benjamin, Harts, JR etc finding their feet and the winds of change blowing through with the likely change of senior coach and training facilities, the mediocrity & bullshit of the past 6 years is quickly diminishing.
In these young men we have real leaders, real skill & real talent, and a real gutsy determination and want to be a REAL premiership threat in the seasons ahead.

Go Blues!!!

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Kennedy's confidence is shot. Until the players start believing in him and pas him the pill, will struggle to gain form


I guess he will continue to struggle then.

I wonder what reason there could possibly be for his teammates not to believe in him?

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bluedog wrote:
Conundrum wrote:
Kennedy's confidence is shot. Until the players start believing in him and pas him the pill, will struggle to gain form


I guess he will continue to struggle then.

I wonder what reason there co

For everybody suld possibly be for his teammates not to believe in him?


For everybody's info gametime for Kennedy was 42 minutes, hartlett 62, anderson 59 and blackwell 58. So kennedy got less game time that anybody else, could this be the reason he lacks confidence, the coach shows no faith in him at all.


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MonstaBlue wrote:
bluesinsider wrote:
Yep Kennedy, hartlett and Anderson dominating the bench once again, Kennedy has to be the best on bench week in week out.


Kennedy actually got the most game time out of the three and did bugger all..... As for anderson, as I mentioned above was unaccountable for Porplyzia's first two goals and should have been dragged (but should have had more game time).... Wouldn't have minded to see Harts get a better run, especially up forward (but considering how well our forward line was functioning wasn't going to happen!)

Get ypur facts right, kennedy played less game time


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send Kennedy back to the VFL. He is lost out there.


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nytdog wrote:
keogh wrote:
Kouta was great after half time but has lost so much pace and relys totally on strength and experience. I still think it was a bad move to play him this year.


Kouta kept us in the game in the second half and showed why he still can be so important to the team (particularly while Stevens is out). A big body around the contests that is one of the best clearance players out there. Yes he has slowed down. But pace isn't everything when you have quick hands, quick/good decision making and use the ball pretty well.


Fresh legs lets see him in 4 weeks... :wink:

Oh thats right.. youre 31 and youve played elite level football for 20 years.. and youre in NYC so you know...

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budzy wrote:
My Positives

19yo Joe Anderson, for his determination and grit. Joey would have eyes only for the contest even if a semi -trailor was bearing down on him. He loves being at the bottom of the pack. He has the courage, agility, reach, pace & grunt to be a rock of our defense for years to come. With more ground time will come better decision making and poise.
Joe is one reason why I’ll sign up next year.

19yo Josh Kennedy, for his determination & grit. That one piece of play yesterday where he courageously ran back & took that spinning mark with 2 Adelaide players bearing down on him showed he has natural courage, athleticism, skill & want. With more gametime and opportunity in a given role, he will start to show his potential. Just needs REAL opportunity.

23yo Jarred Waite, for his natural flair. He finally seems to have overcome the nagging injury niggles of past seasons and is now free in his movements to show his athleticism. With continued gametime his decision making, fluency & consistency will improve and finally we’ll see Jarrod Waite the AFL star.
Would love to see him own the CHB position.

23yo Andrew Carrazzo, for his determination & grit. His skills have greatly improved. In future years he will be the presence in the middle and pave the way for our natural playmakers in Murph, Gibbs, Simmo, Stevo etc. With more groundtime and confidence in belonging his decision making will improve.

18yo Bryce Gibbs. All I can say is WOW. The poise, decision making & skill shown yesterday from this young bloke was unbelievable. To be doing what he’s doing at such a young age is special and I know by reading some of the posts lately re Bryce that a lot of people don’t really understand the talent we have.
This young fella is absolutely special.

19yo Marc Murphy. What an inspiration this young leader is. He has taken on the responsibility, which includes the physical beltings and harassment, only a seasoned 24yo midfielder should be taking on. Again, I don’t think people really understand what this young warrior is currently going through.
An absolute gun leader who should be contractually recognized as such.

23yo Setanta O’hAilpin. True to his name, he is a true warrior. A huge moment for him yesterday to be given the responsibility of kicking out from a point .. fantastic to see. If left to settle as a key defender he will be a huge presence for us come finals time.


With determined and skilled young players like AW, Simmo, Jacko, Blackers, Aisake, Flint, Hampson, Grigg, Benjamin, Harts, JR etc finding their feet and the winds of change blowing through with the likely change of senior coach and training facilities, the mediocrity & bullshit of the past 6 years is quickly diminishing.
In these young men we have real leaders, real skill & real talent, and a real gutsy determination and want to be a REAL premiership threat in the seasons ahead.

Go Blues!!!


Great post budzy.

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Abaddon wrote:
send Kennedy back to the VFL. He is lost out there.


Ok so whats Kennedys role?
The fault does not lie in the kid it lies in the lack of clarity in the role he is playing..
Is he the ruckman?
Forward?
Or just the bench warmer...

You have to give these kids an opportunity to play to a REAL role and you MUST put games NOT minutes under their belts.
They are the future so they become the priority.

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Synbad wrote:
Abaddon wrote:
send Kennedy back to the VFL. He is lost out there.


Ok so whats Kennedys role?
The fault does not lie in the kid it lies in the lack of clarity in the role he is playing..
Is he the ruckman?
Forward?
Or just the bench warmer...

You have to give these kids an opportunity to play to a REAL role and you MUST put games NOT minutes under their belts.
They are the future so they become the priority.

Lance is the Super CHF who's going to lead us to the finals & Kennedy must wait his turn and watch and learn from the bench .. that's how it works apparantly..

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budzy wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Abaddon wrote:
send Kennedy back to the VFL. He is lost out there.


Ok so whats Kennedys role?
The fault does not lie in the kid it lies in the lack of clarity in the role he is playing..
Is he the ruckman?
Forward?
Or just the bench warmer...

You have to give these kids an opportunity to play to a REAL role and you MUST put games NOT minutes under their belts.
They are the future so they become the priority.

Lance is the Super CHF who's going to lead us to the finals & Kennedy must wait his turn and watch and learn from the bench .. that's how it works apparantly..


Well said Synbad, he must know his role. We can only assume Pagan knows what he is doing with this kid. But I must say JK looked abetter player early on , now he looks lost . I have no doubt he will become a very good player in the AFL, lets hope it is for Carlton.


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Rhys26 wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Josh is a good work horse but rucking isnt his go...only as an emergency.
Being pick 4 has placed big expectations on him.......he isnt the next Stephen Kernahan so its time to lower those expectations and get realistic on what he is capable of producing...he will be a valuable senior player doing the unfashionable but he wont be kicking bags of goals every week or pulling down screamers.
Give him 2-3 years and he will be a reliable player in the Earl Spalding mode....


Hope you get the wrong like your similar observation about Gibbs being "A Poor Mans Houla"


I hope I am wrong about JK being similar to Earl Spalding not that there is anything wrong with that..Earl was a fine player, I hope JK is the next Kernahan but thats a big ask.

Gibbs the poor mans Houla?.....when did I say that? if you are going to be a smart arse then you have to get it right....I questioned Gibbs attack on the footy in an earlier game this season along with several other posters..I said he needed to address the problem along with Jordan Russell who has had similar issues.
Gibbs played his best game for the club yesterday and i said so in a previous post....he looked like he belonged and never missed a target.

If anyone ever becomes a poor mans Houla then they should give up footy and take up something non contact like chess...

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bluesinsider wrote:
budzy wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Abaddon wrote:
send Kennedy back to the VFL. He is lost out there.


Ok so whats Kennedys role?
The fault does not lie in the kid it lies in the lack of clarity in the role he is playing..
Is he the ruckman?
Forward?
Or just the bench warmer...

You have to give these kids an opportunity to play to a REAL role and you MUST put games NOT minutes under their belts.
They are the future so they become the priority.

Lance is the Super CHF who's going to lead us to the finals & Kennedy must wait his turn and watch and learn from the bench .. that's how it works apparantly..


Well said Synbad, he must know his role. We can only assume Pagan knows what he is doing with this kid. But I must say JK looked abetter player early on , now he looks lost . I have no doubt he will become a very good player in the AFL, lets hope it is for Carlton.


he dropped a chest mark half way through the 1st Q and was dragged . Apparently dragging the kids means you are teaching them not to make skill errors, and they will learn and gain confidence watching from the bench doing penance..

In the meantime, Kouta in the 3rd Q was involved in a passage of play which took him into the f50 while his opponent remained 20m behind him. Following the customary 3 on 1 turnover in the FP, Kouta cruises back down the wing with no urgency to actually catch his opponent, who eventually had the ball delivered to him at the 50m line, and promptly kicked a goal. Does Kouta get dragged?


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i saw kouta get his hands on it plenty against north last week. He stuffed it up alot by making things more difficult than they were. I thought to myself, if kouta wants he can really have an impact in games ahead. With murphy getting all the attention things could really open up for kouta. Yesterday he didnt let me down. Hopefully he dominates over the next few weeks to get teams thinking about whether to keep a close eye on Kouta or murphy. May even find murph getting heaps more ball than the last month.

Pro :- Kouta. I love watching this guy play.
-Attacking football
- Pagan listening to masses last year and refusing to put players behind the ball no matter what the situation is. Costing us games now but in the long run we will be a better side if our backs can learn to beat there opponents one on one.
- Playing Kenedy in the ruck. In four or five years when fev is washed up or in jail Kennedy then 23/24yr old will be a fine goal square forward ala Alister Lynch but for now with 50 games under his belt he should become a good ruckman. Wrong size for a true CHF. Too big.

Con :- Our midfield needs one or two dashers that cover a lot more ground in the rotation.


Looking good for the future. Go Blues !


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budzy wrote:
My Positives

19yo Joe Anderson, for his determination and grit. Joey would have eyes only for the contest even if a semi -trailor was bearing down on him. He loves being at the bottom of the pack. He has the courage, agility, reach, pace & grunt to be a rock of our defense for years to come. With more ground time will come better decision making and poise.
Joe is one reason why I’ll sign up next year.

19yo Josh Kennedy, for his determination & grit. That one piece of play yesterday where he courageously ran back & took that spinning mark with 2 Adelaide players bearing down on him showed he has natural courage, athleticism, skill & want. With more gametime and opportunity in a given role, he will start to show his potential. Just needs REAL opportunity.

23yo Jarred Waite, for his natural flair. He finally seems to have overcome the nagging injury niggles of past seasons and is now free in his movements to show his athleticism. With continued gametime his decision making, fluency & consistency will improve and finally we’ll see Jarrod Waite the AFL star.
Would love to see him own the CHB position.

23yo Andrew Carrazzo, for his determination & grit. His skills have greatly improved. In future years he will be the presence in the middle and pave the way for our natural playmakers in Murph, Gibbs, Simmo, Stevo etc. With more groundtime and confidence in belonging his decision making will improve.

18yo Bryce Gibbs. All I can say is WOW. The poise, decision making & skill shown yesterday from this young bloke was unbelievable. To be doing what he’s doing at such a young age is special and I know by reading some of the posts lately re Bryce that a lot of people don’t really understand the talent we have.
This young fella is absolutely special.

19yo Marc Murphy. What an inspiration this young leader is. He has taken on the responsibility, which includes the physical beltings and harassment, only a seasoned 24yo midfielder should be taking on. Again, I don’t think people really understand what this young warrior is currently going through.
An absolute gun leader who should be contractually recognized as such.

23yo Setanta O’hAilpin. True to his name, he is a true warrior. A huge moment for him yesterday to be given the responsibility of kicking out from a point .. fantastic to see. If left to settle as a key defender he will be a huge presence for us come finals time.


With determined and skilled young players like AW, Simmo, Jacko, Blackers, Aisake, Flint, Hampson, Grigg, Benjamin, Harts, JR etc finding their feet and the winds of change blowing through with the likely change of senior coach and training facilities, the mediocrity & bullshit of the past 6 years is quickly diminishing.
In these young men we have real leaders, real skill & real talent, and a real gutsy determination and want to be a REAL premiership threat in the seasons ahead.

Go Blues!!!



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Someone who can actually see the wood from the trees.

Someone who can actually see the herd of elephants that are sitting in the corner of the living room.

Someone who can actually see its the youngsters that are the future.

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Pros -didnt drop their bundle after shocking second quarter
Carrazzo another excellent game -3 top games in a row
Waite -enigmatic brilliant inconsistent inept all within the one game
GIBBS best game for carlton
Fisher kicked a goal in every game this year even when beaten
Houlihan beat mcleod -better out of backline
Murph better this week
Setanta not in ruck
Another game into bentick blackwell anderson kennedy murphy setanta gibbs
CONS
Team too top heavy -need more runners/onballers
Whitnall pretty ordinary
Team didnt take opportunities Adelaide did
MISSED EDDIE -no real crumber on forward line
Backline concedes too many soft goals
Bullies ready to murder next week after losing this week


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frank dardew wrote:
Bullies ready to murder next week after losing this week



Cue Robert Walls - article on Western Bulldogs coming up. :wink:

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For everybody's info gametime for Kennedy was 42 minutes, hartlett 62, anderson 59 and blackwell 58. So kennedy got less game time that anybody else, could this be the reason he lacks confidence, the coach shows no faith in him at all.


THANKS FOR THAT. WHERE DID YOU GET THESE STATS FROM?
WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD GET THEM EACH WEEK

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Blue Beatle wrote:
bluesinsider wrote:
For everybody's info gametime for Kennedy was 42 minutes, hartlett 62, anderson 59 and blackwell 58. So kennedy got less game time that anybody else, could this be the reason he lacks confidence, the coach shows no faith in him at all.


THANKS FOR THAT. WHERE DID YOU GET THESE STATS FROM?


WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD GET THEM EACH WEEK


Lets just say I will post them each week if you like.


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