I think its a case of sticky ickey

or is it ickey sticky?

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What's everybody's thoughts on bringing football back to PP?

I'm a bit 50/50 on it to be honest.

I liked the idea of knocking down a few stadiums and having the oval opened up into the surround park area's.
Similar in a way to what Richmond have with Punt Road Oval. I really like their set-up.

But, on the other hand, i'd love to once again see Carlton run out on PP, and it would make sense against teams like Freo & Port.

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Well I am going to apologise for starting this thread in my alcohol induced anger on Saturday night. Clearly Dick is doing a good job in terms of what he is doing from the admin side of things. eg getting finances right, getting the right people in the right positions to make this happen.

I dont shy away however from the fact though that we arent improving. Our kids are going ok sure but they are getting beat up, both physically and mentally. I dont believe this is a healthy environment for them to grow in, even the Kangas are ahead of us as far as development goes, purely because they dont expect too much from their kids, who can go out and play, enjoy themselves without too much pressure on them.

I really believe that we are in for a sustained period of being at the lower end of the ladder, and this is what I dont and wont accept. Footy is and should be about being competitive every time we go out and play, and I am sorry but I cant remember the last time I ever went to the footy and EXPECTED that we would win. This is to me what St Kilda supporters have had to put up with since they started up as a club, and this is how I am feeling now!!!

In my opinion Elliott, Parkin, Pagan, Collins, Smorgan, Malouf and co have ruined my club, we are now the laughing stock, the whipping boys, the St Kilda of old. Some of you will say all is in order, another couple of high draft picks at years end, it is only a matter of time, well i dont agree. We are the first true test of the draft and the systems that the AFL have in place in my opinion, because no other club has ever had the same situation of having no balance in terms of experience and youth. I dont think our kids can and will achieve their true potential due to not having experienced talent around them!!!

Anyway guys, I am sorry once again for the crap that I wrote on Sat night, but footy for me is and never will be the same again.

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Yeah, damn those two time premiership coaches hey??? bastard, he should have realised that winning the flag in 95 and keeping us up the top for so long was only going to do harm to our future draft choices. what an idiot.

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Parkin is 3 times premiership coach with us BNZ

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bnz wrote:

BlueDW wrote:

In my opinion Elliott, Parkin, Pagan, Collins, Smorgan, Malouf and co have ruined my club, we are now the laughing stock, the whipping boys, the St Kilda of old. Some of you will say all is in order, another couple of high draft picks at years end, it is only a matter of time, well i dont agree. We are the first true test of the draft and the systems that the AFL have in place in my opinion, because no other club has ever had the same situation of having no balance in terms of experience and youth. I dont think our kids can and will achieve their true potential due to not having experienced talent around them!!!

Anyway guys, I am sorry once again for the crap that I wrote on Sat night, but footy for me is and never will be the same again.

Yeah, damn those two time premiership coaches hey??? bastard, he should have realised that winning the flag in 95 and keeping us up the top for so long was only going to do harm to our future draft choices. what an idiot.

Parkin has already admitted that he made some bad choices in terms of topping up with experienced players mate, and not embracing the draft. By the way, Pagan, in case you hacve forgotten is also a premiership coach!!! Damn, look how far he has gotten us!!!

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Pagan hasnt coached us to a premiership has he mate????


and standing in the outer, up in arms when we were consistently in the top four playing with those "top up players".

somehow i dont think so.

Again, yet another poster on this site that is very quick to point the finger at the mistakes in the past once they have been pointed out to him.

It doesnt take a genius to see we are in the depths of depression mate, but at least we are working towards a solution. Consistenly pointing the finger and muck raking, certainly dont help.

Have any creative ideas about how to turn this around? or are you waiting for someone of authority to point them out first and then you'll spout them, claiming them as your own?

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bnz wrote:

Pagan hasnt coached us to a premiership has he mate????


and standing in the outer, up in arms when we were consistently in the top four playing with those "top up players".

somehow i dont think so.

Again, yet another poster on this site that is very quick to point the finger at the mistakes in the past once they have been pointed out to him.

It doesnt take a genius to see we are in the depths of depression mate, but at least we are working towards a solution. Consistenly pointing the finger and muck raking, certainly dont help.

Have any creative ideas about how to turn this around? or are you waiting for someone of authority to point them out first and then you'll spout them, claiming them as your own?

Pal, tell you what, give me a couple of hundred grand a year to do so and I will give it a crack. Not my job to do it, but I earn the right given that I pay my membership every year and have for a long time to critique those who arent and havent done their jobs effectively in the past. Parkin is partly responsible for where we are, make no mistake about it. I have been nothing but supportive for the past 5 years, but now I fear we ar too far in teh crap to get out of it. As far as much raking, dont think I am doing that either. If i was underachieving in my role at work I would get the arse, accountability should be everywhere, clearly it isnt!!!

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bnz, plenty of posters here have put in alternative solutions/matchup's to Pagan's madness including BlueDW. You just don't listen when it comes to alternatives.

yeah well i had a dream last night that we got thumped by the crows and pagan was sacked on the monday and talking carlton went into meltdown

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Your dream might turn into reality grro. It's good and well if we're losing because we've tried everything that's possible.

But there are basic coaching moves that haven't been tried purely because Pagan doesn't have the confidence in the kids.

He keeps talking about how kids are the future, and then he doesn't show confidence in them when he does get them.

"Give me draft picks and I'll give you wins" said Denis once. Well, we've got some picks, some pretty high ones at that. Where are the wins you promised?

Their development has gone the tubes as well.

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Author though in the sense that Dr Suess was an author as well...

...what do you both have in common? It seems you both write absolute nonsense.

Akermanis. Everitt. Mal Michael. Campo.

By your wording - these players fit the bill...

Oh, I almost forgot - McLaren and Ackland.

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Akermanis - Trade (past his prime anyway)
Everitt - Trade (past his prime anyway)
Mal Michael - Trade, retired then picked up (past his prime anyway)
Campo - who cares but he went into the PSD...is a lottery then (past his prime anyway)

Fact is mate not many quality players in their prime ever move clubs. And lets be honest, no way we are gonna trade away decent draft picks, and apart from that we have no other currency in terms of players that other clubs would want. Therefore the chance of us getting an established star from another club is next to nil.

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Hey BDW, mate, you're in a bad way. You didn't think we could beat Richmond, Essendon*, Brisbane, Collingwood, StKilda or Kangas? Bad luck. I did!

I was ther on Staurday, and for most of the game, let alone before the game, and with even 5 minutes left I thought they could do it with a bit of luck. You know why? They were playing like they could, and the style of footy they play in 2007 shits all over the style they were playing for 97.56% of 2006 season.

You are living in a big black cloud, Slap yourself...it aint that bad.

The glass is half full.

They are kids after all, and you seem to expect miracles. Port have a few All Australians and premiership players playing for them, Hawks are a year or 2 ahead of us, Kangas have a few hardened campaigners to support the kids. Remember that on Saturday it was Shannon Grant and Harvey that nailed us, not the North kids.

We're doing all right. With a bit of luck, a couple of ruckmen, (add Stevens) and a bit more experience and we'll be fine.

BDW, I bet you we are playing finals in 2008/9...and I bet you can't see why we can. Study it...Pagan wont be at Carlton around in 2008/9, but the kids will still be there with another year or 2 under their belt...and a lot more muscle and stamina to boot.

Watch this space and smell the roses...they're coloured Dark Navy Blue.

Now pick yourself up off the floor...you're a Blue Boy...and you should be proud of our kids...because they're going to take you for a pleasure ride of a lifetime.

Let them entertain you.

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Ddubya, you must have missed my earlier post.

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Camel, would these guys qualify also? ( I haven't read the entire thread)

Leigh Colbert
Brad Ottens
Jason Ball
Darren Jolly
Andrew McDougall
Graham Polak
Paul Medhurst
Chris Tarrant
Dean Solomon
Ted Richards
Jonathon Hay

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Spida Everrit.
Jason Akermanis.
Mal Michael.
Heath Black.
Josh Carr.
Tyson Stenglein.
Nathan Thompson.
Blake Caracella.

There's a sample from the last 3 off seasons. There's 4 or 5 premiership players in there.

Ddubya, you must have missed my earlier post.

Nah mate, didnt miss them. Comes back to what we would be prepared to trade though doesnt it? Gibbs - hardly, Murph - no way...what other currency do we have? And dont try telling me we are going to trade our high draft picks, that just wont happen. And look through that list mate, Stenglein would be the only desirable I reckon, maybe Josh Carr. And another thing, for a trade to be made, the player has to agree right? What topline, established player would want to come to us now, given where we are on the bottom of the ladder?

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bondiblue wrote:

BlueDW wrote

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I really believe that we are in for a sustained period of being at the lower end of the ladder, and this is what I dont and wont accept. Footy is and should be about being competitive every time we go out and play, and I am sorry but I cant remember the last time I ever went to the footy and EXPECTED that we would win. This is to me what St Kilda supporters have had to put up with since they started up as a club, and this is how I am feeling now!!!

Hey BDW, mate, you're in a bad way. You didn't think we could beat Richmond, Essendon*, Brisbane, Collingwood, StKilda or Kangas? Bad luck. I did!

I was ther on Staurday, and for most of the game, let alone before the game, and with even 5 minutes left I thought they could do it with a bit of luck. You know why? They were playing like they could, and the style of footy they play in 2007 shits all over the style they were playing for 97.56% of 2006 season.

You are living in a big black cloud, Slap yourself...it aint that bad.

The glass is half full.

They are kids after all, and you seem to expect miracles. Port have a few All Australians and premiership players playing for them, Hawks are a year or 2 ahead of us, Kangas have a few hardened campaigners to support the kids. Remember that on Saturday it was Shannon Grant and Harvey that nailed us, not the North kids.

We're doing all right. With a bit of luck, a couple of ruckmen, (add Stevens) and a bit more experience and we'll be fine.

BDW, I bet you we are playing finals in 2008/9...and I bet you can't see why we can. Study it...Pagan wont be at Carlton around in 2008/9, but the kids will still be there with another year or 2 under their belt...and a lot more muscle and stamina to boot.

Watch this space and smell the roses...they're coloured Dark Navy Blue.

Now pick yourself up off the floor...you're a Blue Boy...and you should be proud of our kids...because they're going to take you for a pleasure ride of a lifetime.

Let them entertain you.

Mate perhaps I am sick of getting kicked in the face after spending the last 5 year trying to see the positives. I admire that you are still able to do so. Re this year, yes at least we are losing prettier, but we are still losing. This week will show us up I reckon, the Crows will flood and I can pretty much guarantee we wont kick 10. We will then bomb it to Fev who will be 3 or 4 to 1, then we will turn it over and the Crows will get us on the way out. Just wondering who is prepared to argue with me?

The reason why we have been scoring so heavily mate is that teams dont feel the need to flood against us, and are backing themselves to kick a winning score anyway. Anyway, I have had enough of this thread, and being negative in general, so I will wait until Saturday, drag my sorry ass to the Dome and watch us get butchered again.

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