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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:26 pm 
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Ken Hands

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Jarusa wrote:
PROS: Most of the team played very well.

CONS: I think Houlihan would be well in front in the 'Reverse Coleman' this year.


whata crock.
we beat the same crap Kanagroos team in the NAB Cup up there. To lose in the real season is nothing short of a disgrace.
Just like the Brisbane game there are no positives at all.


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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:29 pm 
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Laurie Kerr

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PROS
- Blackwell (doesn't seem to ever play a poor game)
- Fevola
- Waite was OK
- Bentick tried hard


CONS
- Our incredible ability to give away a free kick when the ball is dead (ie when the ball isn;t coming out, the umpire is about to call for a ballup and yet we seem to fall on top of someone and give away a free)
- Gibbs looks like a fish up a tree in the back-line, this is obvious to any armchair supporter yet Pagan seems oblivious to it
- small fowards continue to kick easy goals at will against us


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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:30 pm 
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Adrian Gallagher

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PROS.....NIL
CONS....yes we are being conned

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:30 pm 
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Serge Silvagni

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relax, gibbs is a first year player.
who will you put in the backline to play on small forwards? carrazzo?
carrazzo is killing it in the middle.

the backline generally had zero leadership today.

houlihan continues to frustrate the bejeezus out of me.
russell third year player getting cleaned up week after week.
bentick had some 10 tackles...great effort...
blackwell winning hardball after hardball.

walker was the only appropriate match up for jones... he was carving up the defence in the first half.


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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:33 pm 
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Craig Bradley

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Pros
Fisher Fevola carrazzo blackwell whitnall
Cons
Play Setanta at FB -bring in Aisaike
We can't run out games -half the games we lead at half time -third quarters diabolical
Harvey and Grant kill us every year
Skill level ordinary -handled the slippery ball a lot worse than Kangas
Mcintosh killed us Ackland better but still not great
Injury to Eddie


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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:35 pm 
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pro :- we look pretty good when we get on a bit of a run. As the players mature we will be able to sustain that for longer and hopefully win games.

Cons:- Too young to sustain the effort. Probably mentally.
- the umps hate us. The three goal difference was probably the run on they got after that freebie they gave Thomas. What was the umpire thinking? When he gave that diliberate against Waite you could see we were gone.


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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:37 pm 
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cons :


1- Fitness : where the heck did it go? have we made any progress from last year? we looked like dead bodies... just couldnt run it out , YET again


2- Our defence : The joke of the league.....the softest bunch of people ever.... no surprise when u have hacks like Holihan playing there....I have never seen a player in my whole life, who week in, week out does a very terrible thing of not commiting his body and giving up goals....Doesnt friggin Denis ever talk to him? TAKE him out of defence, he is cost us 6 goals tonight........Soft free kicks and leaving his man loose........NO Feel for this game... Holihan needs to go back and play Touch ball.... this is the only game he will win a Brownlow every year...


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club29 wrote:
pro :- we look pretty good when we get on a bit of a run. As the players mature we will be able to sustain that for longer and hopefully win games.

Cons:- Too young to sustain the effort. Probably mentally.
- the umps hate us. The three goal difference was probably the run on they got after that freebie they gave Thomas. What was the umpire thinking? When he gave that diliberate against Waite you could see we were gone.


Excuses excuses excuses...too young is getting old as an excuse, the Thomas free was balanced by the Fev non free five mainutes later, deliberate was clear...looked like he was hitting it to the guy in the third row!!!!

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:56 pm 
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BlueDW wrote:
club29 wrote:
pro :- we look pretty good when we get on a bit of a run. As the players mature we will be able to sustain that for longer and hopefully win games.

Cons:- Too young to sustain the effort. Probably mentally.
- the umps hate us. The three goal difference was probably the run on they got after that freebie they gave Thomas. What was the umpire thinking? When he gave that diliberate against Waite you could see we were gone.


Excuses excuses excuses...too young is getting old as an excuse, the Thomas free was balanced by the Fev non free five mainutes later, deliberate was clear...looked like he was hitting it to the guy in the third row!!!!



We will have to agree to disagree on the frees. Though that fevs balanced out the second against houlihan when the guy who got the free was doing the same thing as Houlihan. I also believe we looked quite good when we had the legs. Over time and a few more pre seasons our young players will be able to sustain that effort.


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club29 wrote:
BlueDW wrote:
club29 wrote:
pro :- we look pretty good when we get on a bit of a run. As the players mature we will be able to sustain that for longer and hopefully win games.

Cons:- Too young to sustain the effort. Probably mentally.
- the umps hate us. The three goal difference was probably the run on they got after that freebie they gave Thomas. What was the umpire thinking? When he gave that diliberate against Waite you could see we were gone.


Excuses excuses excuses...too young is getting old as an excuse, the Thomas free was balanced by the Fev non free five mainutes later, deliberate was clear...looked like he was hitting it to the guy in the third row!!!!


We will have to agree to disagree on the frees. Though that fevs balanced out the second against houlihan when the guy who got the free was doing the same thing as Houlihan. I also believe we looked quite good when we had the legs. Over time and a few more pre seasons our young players will be able to sustain that effort.


club29, your common sense ansd clear thinking has no place on this forun so soon after a defeat. :P :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:08 pm 
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Jarusa wrote:
club29 wrote:
BlueDW wrote:
club29 wrote:
pro :- we look pretty good when we get on a bit of a run. As the players mature we will be able to sustain that for longer and hopefully win games.

Cons:- Too young to sustain the effort. Probably mentally.
- the umps hate us. The three goal difference was probably the run on they got after that freebie they gave Thomas. What was the umpire thinking? When he gave that diliberate against Waite you could see we were gone.


Excuses excuses excuses...too young is getting old as an excuse, the Thomas free was balanced by the Fev non free five mainutes later, deliberate was clear...looked like he was hitting it to the guy in the third row!!!!


We will have to agree to disagree on the frees. Though that fevs balanced out the second against houlihan when the guy who got the free was doing the same thing as Houlihan. I also believe we looked quite good when we had the legs. Over time and a few more pre seasons our young players will be able to sustain that effort.


club29, your common sense ansd clear thinking has no place on this forun so soon after a defeat. :P :wink:


Common sense? Is that the same as accepting defeat because 2-3 years ago I was saying the same sort of thing after a disappointing loss.

2-3 years on and nothing has changed except we are a younger team. You can say stuff like we have some early draft picks now (WC have just bought Hurn into their team and he is looking fantastic already and he was drafted about 20 if my memory is correct), how are our top 20 picks looking from the same draft except for Murph? (Kennedy and Bower fall into this category from memory).

I am too old to argue about this anymore, I am sick of not enjoying watching MY footy club underperform where it counts - on the field. Perhaps the penny will drop for you blokes (and ladies) sometime...good luck in your journey to recognition as to where our club truly sits!!!

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:09 pm 
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BlueDW wrote:
club29 wrote:
pro :- we look pretty good when we get on a bit of a run. As the players mature we will be able to sustain that for longer and hopefully win games.

Cons:- Too young to sustain the effort. Probably mentally.
- the umps hate us. The three goal difference was probably the run on they got after that freebie they gave Thomas. What was the umpire thinking? When he gave that diliberate against Waite you could see we were gone.


Excuses excuses excuses...too young is getting old as an excuse, the Thomas free was balanced by the Fev non free five mainutes later, deliberate was clear...looked like he was hitting it to the guy in the third row!!!!


The excuse that we are young really doesn't cut it - we were only 5mths on average younger than the Kangaroos 22 that we played against tonight!!


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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:11 pm 
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Pickle wrote:
BlueDW wrote:
club29 wrote:
pro :- we look pretty good when we get on a bit of a run. As the players mature we will be able to sustain that for longer and hopefully win games.

Cons:- Too young to sustain the effort. Probably mentally.
- the umps hate us. The three goal difference was probably the run on they got after that freebie they gave Thomas. What was the umpire thinking? When he gave that diliberate against Waite you could see we were gone.


Excuses excuses excuses...too young is getting old as an excuse, the Thomas free was balanced by the Fev non free five mainutes later, deliberate was clear...looked like he was hitting it to the guy in the third row!!!!


The excuse that we are young really doesn't cut it - we were only 5mths on average younger than the Kangaroos 22 that we played against tonight!!


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Jarusa wrote:
Pickle wrote:
BlueDW wrote:
club29 wrote:
pro :- we look pretty good when we get on a bit of a run. As the players mature we will be able to sustain that for longer and hopefully win games.

Cons:- Too young to sustain the effort. Probably mentally.
- the umps hate us. The three goal difference was probably the run on they got after that freebie they gave Thomas. What was the umpire thinking? When he gave that diliberate against Waite you could see we were gone.


Excuses excuses excuses...too young is getting old as an excuse, the Thomas free was balanced by the Fev non free five mainutes later, deliberate was clear...looked like he was hitting it to the guy in the third row!!!!


The excuse that we are young really doesn't cut it - we were only 5mths on average younger than the Kangaroos 22 that we played against tonight!!


:lol: :lol: :lol:



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Hey Jarusa,
how long have Port ,Lions , Pies,Hawks been young for?
Gee, there's blue skies ahead for Carlton.
13k posts ,it's quality not quantity :? :? :?

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Mark J wrote:
Hey Jarusa,
how long have Port ,Lions , Pies,Hawks been young for?
Gee, there's blue skies ahead for Carlton.
13k posts ,it's quality not quantity :? :? :?


5 months on average difference in age IN EVERY PLAYER between teams is quite significant.

That is a fact.

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:21 pm 
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Pros...Blackwell was good, wins the ball well, disposal needs work though.
Bentick gives you a contest but doesnt have the skills or smarts to hurt teams but he is a honest performer.
Fev.....did the job even when injured.
K.Simpson....tried hard but found Harvey a class act..

Cons....Rucks....Ackland is useless, Santy isnt a ruckman.
Saddington....not good enough
Houlihan...re Ackland, re Saddington, his efforts on Thomas were pathetic and should be delisted at the end of the year....
Backline..in general were terrible...led to the ball, outsmarted by the Roos clever small forwards and having to watch the comical way played Corey Jones early just frustrated me ...no second efforts, dumb mistakes by supposed good footballers.
Every Roo forward had some impact on the game and that resulted in their high score....

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:22 pm 
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Pros:
- Blackwell: back in
- One game closer to Pagan no longer being coach


Cons:
- Koutafides: waste of space
- The coaching and match ups

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:22 pm 
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Jarusa,so we'll come good in 5 month's,or we'll alway's be 5 month's behind :? :? :?

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The point i was making was we looked good when we had the legs. We moved the ball well and we won plenty of ball and goals were getting kicked by different players. We looked good. Whether you want believe we run out of legs because we aer young or wheteher you dont want to believe that isnt really the issue. If its not because we are young then the football debt is just going to have to get them fitter. That will be hard to do during the season but upping the fitness training over the next pre season is quite easily done.

If we can get fit enough to sustain the effort we put in early for four quarters we will alot of games.

Thats all i am saying.


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