They have both got more hitouts in a game than De Luca ever did (De Luca's best last year was 10) and they are both 2 inches shorter than De Luca!

I don't think either of them are long term options but they are both better than De Luca.

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this has to be the single worst thread in the history of the site..... and thats including all the other worst threads that have been started to-date...

this thread should be ranks right along side the worst things ever written anywhere, in the history of mankind.

This thread is so bad it gave me cancer..... knowing my luck, the last thing i think about before I die will be how stupid this thread is.

simply a bad thread.... I cannot stress that enough.. the premise and message behind this thread surely must rank among mankind's greatest mistakes.......

Wow.. speechless...... bad.... really bad thread..... Goltzenberg, I think its time to donate the part of your brain that defines "quality" to medical research... you've stumbled onto a new genome with this thread..... this thread is re-writting the record books for universal bad things.....

- World War 1
- Krakatoa
- This thread

all just really bad things to happen to the human race.

If this was 3 million years ago, and this thread was waiting for me on the surface, there is no way I would have decended from the tree and learnt to walk upright. just no-way. This thread could actually set-back the cause of human evolution.

WOW. I .... I .... I .... I have to sit down...... in fact...... I have to go away for a while.... I need to sleep on this one......

WOW

Deluca in for Kennedy...... that.... that........ WOW

I propose that instead of supporting Carlton, we all just disband and find other teams.... I mean.... Deluca for Kennedy...... WOW..... I don't think I can go on anymore.... I think I need to leave the site.... this is just..... WOW

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Deluca only rucked less the part time and did ok when in ruck.

Ackland has averaged 12.6 taps a game and Cloke 10 hitouts a game not setting the world on fire.

I don't mind Cloke but Ackland is only playing for the money, he always leaps to early can't time his jump so frustrating.

NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,MAYBE NO,NO,NO,NO,FFS,NO!

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NO, HE DID NOT!!

Is this some bizarro world?

What has become of us when supporters are pining for De Luca?

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You've been saving that one up for a while now, haven't you Shag?!




Jars, you funny mongrel... wonder if he writes in his ledger with his glove on?



Isn't Diggers still running around with the Ants?? Loved this guy, one of the only recycled players who really tried to make a fist of it when he rocked up at Carlton. Most of the others *O'Reilly, Mansfield, etc.* played like they were happy just getting paid... and as for Micky Martyn - couldn't have tried his guts out for all we knew but just didn't have it anymore...

Agree with whoever named Bananaby - may not have had Cloke's, JK's or even Ackland's agility and pace - but he was a damn good tap ruckman.

if being critical of your own team means you should be barracking for Richmond, what club should you be supporting if you lack all sense of perspective and are living in fantasy land? That sounds like maybe an Essendon* thing... or maybe a Dean Laidley-Kangaroos thing......

EVERYONE WHO AGREES WITH THIS THREAD IS A KANGAROOS SUPPORTER!!! GO BARRACK FOR THE KANGAROOS!! YOU LOVE MICHAEL FIRRITO!!! YOU GO TO BED AND NIGHT DREAMING ABOUT THE SHINBONER SPIRIT!!!! YOU'RE ANGRY AT THE DUCK BUT SECRETLY HOPE HE RETURNS ONE DAY!!!!

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Tyrants right.Worst thought ever.
What about coaxing Stephen Handley out of retirement.What a gun ,only ruckman to be outmarked by Diesel

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Seem like your in a bad mood Tyrant.

No one is bagging the club or Kennedy. All that was suggested is to develope him in the bullants get his confidence there. I don't see what the rush is with Kennedy he is only in his second year and most KPP take longer to develop.

Not bad being a Kangaroos supporter at the moment at least they give there all and there supports know what they are going to getting every week

This is the thing 95% of posters don't understand and why 99.999999% of posters would be shit as actual coaches.

There isn't just one lever you can pull with a player to affect his confidence or form..... (ie, dropping or including players). There are many.

The notion of dropping Kennedy to "encourage him" ( ) and bring in a player who the grace of DeLuca..... is mind bogglingly shit. Its actually worse than shit. If Shit itself was able to deficate, that would somewhat more closely resemble this idea.

How much gametime does Kennedy get? What positions does he play on the field? Why is Gibbs playing in deep defence to "learn the craft" but it hasn't been considered for Kennedy? Whats Pagan's management style for kids?

Has it occured to anyone that Pagan and the MC might be really happy with Kennedy? What does Pagan say to Kennedy off the field (or any coach)?

Kennedy was pick 4. Wayne Hughes considered him AT LEAST the 4th best junior talent that year in Australia. He is a blue-chip talent. If this was a big corporation, he would be a top-top graduate.

Good organisations have a sense of "talent management". They take the cream of the crop for raw ability and nurture them for the long-term benefit of the company. They might promote them sometimes "ahead of their time" and provide them with strong mentoring and coaching to use their great skills to adjust.

You don't take a pick 4 in the draft and treat him like he was your last pick in the rookie draft. If you do that, you miss out on those key years of development.

A GOOD coach would reward our top talent for effort, irrespective of results, and guide the player through the parts of their game they need to work on. He will learn infinitely more on the frontline than in a secondary competition... INFINITELY.....

If Kennedy is 22 and not performing, then we'd have a problem..... for now you all need to chill the @#$%&! out, stop making rubbish absolute threads about how good or bad certain players are, and stop eroding what has, for most of my life, been the assumption that Carlton supporters were the most intelligent in the world.

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The problem with this idea (coaxing him out of retirement) is that he was just a hack who didn't hold his marks and his kicking was unreliable at best.

If he had been able to hold his marks and kick goals, my guess he would still be playing in the number 26.

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Josh Kennedy is a Centre Half Forward, i don't like them putting him in the Ruck, now about Deluca,It doesn't matter how good or bad he was a lot of people just didn't like him on this site.

I thought he was handy at times,dissapointing at times also but a lot better then Ackland in my opinion but also knew he was more just a band aid for now untill a great Ruckman appeared.I would have had no problem with a year contract or two if he stayed just untill their was a real good Ruckman.

how about, in this season early-on in his career, we try Kennedy as our third defender and use Thornton up forward....

O'hAilpin, Kennedy and Waite

Brisbane have an equally young back 6 and it works for them in a rebuilding year.. 4 and 2 with key defenders who would have played a similar number of games.

Maybe drop Lappin/Scotland etc back there for experience... try and encourage Waite to take the next-step as a leader, and push Gibbs up the ground to get the experience mix better

then after a year of good exposure on a man and getting run-into the play, and Denis does believe "defence is a good place to learn the game" as he's said to Gibbs, the Friar can launch his career as a forward next season.

Kennedy wins from mroe game time in a position that brings him into the play... Gibbs wins from being released up the ground..... Thornton wins by being freed up to play forward... DeLuca wins because he can focus on a career he might actually be good at.....

EVERYONE WINS!

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No.....I think JK is a better footballer and ADL a better accountant and good luck to them both....

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Shirley, you can't be serious

Btw.... No

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He jumps up and is back down before the umpire has even bounces the ball...Geeez, has the guy got any timing?

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Lets compare:
Deluca 2006 - Games 13 Total
Kicks 74
Handballs 50
Total 124
Marks 65
Goals 8
Behinds 5
Tackles 18
Hitouts 50

Josh Kennedy
Games 6
Kicks 21
Handballs 14
Disposals 35
Marks 17
Goals 1
Behinds 2
Tackles 7
Hitouts 13

I will be honest, this thread started out as a bit of a joke and was talked into posting it. Didn't think people would take it so serious and actually call this the worst thread of all time, but there has been quite a bit of support for the big Archie, which is surprising.

Although, I didnt realise JK was going so bad till l thought l would compare the stats. 1 goal from 6 games for a CHF is disgraceful. Yes he is young, yes he will be a great player one day, but at the moment he is not upto it. While the blues arent doing that well leave him in the team though to get experience unless there is someone else worthy of a spot. Rewarding other players in the bullants is a must.

But for a guy at 6-6 and has only kicked 1 goal, the gameplan has to be looked at, he is either not in position or his team mates dont think hes up to it in high pressure yet. Carlton players always kicked it to Deluca on a lead last year and JK would lead and they look elsewhere.

On a serious note, It wouldn't be too bad having Deluca around if the blues have a few injuries in the tall department, he did do ok. And he was only 24 had a year or two more left to improve.

My heart is with the blues winning games and if we did have a decent player in the bullants worthy of a spot in the team, l would rather him play so we win games, not just play young players so they develop. Thats the difference with carlton, Essendon* and collingwood compared to the likes of Westcoast etc. Priddis had to bust his butt to get in the WCE team, they didnt just put him in for experience and when he got in the team he was ready.

So all l'm saying if your got better players in the bullants deserving a spot then you reward them by giving them a shot, not just leave players in the team for development. It is good for players to have to fight for their spots.

Thanks for all the compliments on the worst thread ever. Can't believe u guys took it so serious hehe

Don't have a heart attack buddy, lighten up and its Mr Goltzenberg to you

Seems like the special needs class found the keys to the computer room. Deluca??!! FFS get a clue. We're talking about a guy who couldn't mark, couldn't kick and despite being the tallest player on our list, couldn't ruck. Yes, he was tall, it was his only true talent and boy did he use it
We're talking about a bloke who gave up a career in AFL to become an accountant, that's like cutting back on your professional kick-boxing career to focus your attention on your Warhammer universe.

As for JK, Dermot Brereton gave an interesting stat on radio last Saturday - something to the tune of Fev and Josh have both led 90 times and Fev has been kicked to on over 80 of those occasions. JK is a lead up CHF, that's where he has had his success, he just keeps presenting and never drops his head. We aren't kicking it to him, that's in part because the players want their kicks to be marked and no one in the league does it better than Fev, and also JK is learning where to lead and he hasn't perfected it yet.

As an aside, fairly sure Wayne Hughes rated JK as the 2nd best player in the draft.

If it meant we didn't have Ackland on a lucrative 3 year contract I'd rather ADL stayed. Actually I would have rathered Barnaby battled on for a couple of years while our potential rucks developed. He was no star but had good leadership. battled hard and was a lot bettre than ACkland (French not ADL)