Should that be Ackland or Cloke in our list?

Mike Sheahan is talking S*** once again. Its clearly a 9 - 3 split between the 12 names that were listed and not 7 - 5...Murphy better than lids, simpson better than pettifer and whitnall is much better than shulz (even if he isnt playing well he is still playing better than shulz.)
reasons:

- Murphy is playing midfield, deledio is not...murphy wins more ball...lids can't shake a tagger.
- simpson offers you more...has more heart...pettifer useless when chips are down
- and the whitnall one, well i don't have really explain anything, its just fact. Saying shulz is better is like saying prendergast is close to a tredrea, absolute crap.

PEACE OUT!

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With the talent at the blues...MAY THE GOOD TIMES ROLLLLLLLLLL

I wouldn't have them in the top 12. Nor would many pundits.

Sheehan is out of touch.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

where as Jimmae is an expert on ALL things.

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Back like a raging case of pubic lice

No, Mike had him at #11 at the start of this season. Don't know what he had him at last years Top 50.

The Top 50 is crap anyway!

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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
- Aristotle

I have met Mike a couple of times....

Can I have that time back!

I could hardly breathe!

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They coud'nt.....could they?

Mike Shehan can go and get [REDACTED] - I lost all respect for him when he wrote an article a few years back that thought the scum did well in recruiting premiership players Matt Allan and Justin Murphy. Still cant work out which flag they played in.

Anyway basically this article is using the Carlton list as the benchmark for shit lists and is saying that Richmond's list is below shit.

I would like to write an article using Mike Shehan as the benchmark for shit Football writers and sensationalists and see how they compare. (Dwayne Russel already fails)

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Ecclesiastes 1:4, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes: but The Blues abide forever."

I have a bit of a problem with this.

To get Mike Sheehan out of the road first; you can't just judge a teams list by the best (arguable) 12 players alone. As for your claims at being "shot down" about your comments, Ryan, I think you were perhaps ignoring the bigger issues. What you must look at is;

1, that was then and this is now; aside from the fact that we have just been through what should be a successful draft period, you have to judge players on their abilities as they stand if you are talking about the ability to win matches.

2, Carlton’s ability (or lack of) to deal with mediocrity both culturally and in actual practice.

3, the weighing up of raw talent VS talent in key areas.

4, Carlton fans being too close to the side to be able to judge other team lists objectively.

It is very simplistic to come on all hoity and state that we haven’t got a bad list after all. It was certainly very unproductive when our list needed improvement if we are to be a successful side again; it still does by the way.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

but should we be developing a captain, too?

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[Sam Jacobs] looks like a 7' Lance Whitnall, and [Mitch Robinson] looks like a 4' Lance Whitnall
(The SEN team during the Carlton v Cats 2009 pre-season match)

Talkback radio on SEN tonight had callers going crazy about murphy/deledio scenario...

Everyone was rating deledio much better! And their main reason was that deledio kicks better

And Melbourne and very possibly Hawthorn. The only teams I would rate that definitely have better list (at this time only) are Geelong, Saints and Bulldogs (possibly).

The other thing worth considering is the way the Blues seeem to be reacting to Pagan and the other Coaches. Their "never say die" attitude is fantastic

Yeah that's all cool mate. I just think there may be a bit too much shooting down on ths site latley. Everybody's entitled to their opinion and this forum is the place to have that opinion heard.
I had my opinion half way through the season................and i stand by that opinion, and that opinion was created in defense of the players copping the more than their fair share of the blame for our performances.....although it does appear as thou the blame ratio has shifted somewhat significantly since i said it.

So for me, i will continue to believe in this list and refuse to accept them as so-called 'Z-Graders'.

We haven't really added anything since then. Ackland & Cloke are hardly what you would call superstars & team-changing player and Gibbs is but an 18 year old 3-gamer.

Don't get me wrong, i'm as guilty as the next when it comes to knocking our players from time to time, but as a list in general.......well i just get sick of the constant bagging.

Changing the subject......................

Murphy Vs Deledio is just a bit of a joke really. Don't think either are fully developed enough to start comparing the two.

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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
- Aristotle

What took all those Tigers supporters so long to call in. Oh thats right, had to visit local Centrelink office to apply for a crisis payment to pay the telephone bill , to have the barrings removed so they could ring back tonight.

Oh well...And IMO you just wouldn't compare the two. Different types like comparing Judd/ Kerr/Cousins, a pointless exercise.

Bottom line i look forward to the day the boy came home. Delidio,Murphy Gibbs all in the one side. Who needs Judd?

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I know a little secret. And i'm not sharing.

Well he's 'officially' considered a wanker, is that close enough?

He was never in touch.

Like I said in another thread

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

MS is basing that assessment on 2 1/2 bad games from Lance. I mean...Schulz? Yeah he's ok. But nothing more. Lance won the B&F last year - sure not a huge achievement in a struggling side but surely enough to say that he's better than Schulz at this point in time...

I can't remember his entire history as a scribe, so I was hoping there was a time when he had a useful contribution to journalism, much like the footy show once did.

Whose snobby nephew was he?

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Useful contributions eh Dr Jim?

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

I don't get paid.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

well, talk about equivalence to worth.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...