I await the stats to prove that.

You dont need stats to prove that.


Anyway I thought you weren't talking to me.

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No we'll just take your word for it shall we?

I suppose 4 contested possessions last Sun is "getting your own ball". But that was in the bottom 1/3 of the team. Stevens had 9.

Yep you're absolutely right.

Fancy trying to base an opinion on 10 seasons of Campo's stellar career and compare it to 1 game from Kade Simpson.

Please it was more fun when you weren't replying to my posts - please stop because I am running out of needle and thread to stitch up my sides from the mirth and hilarity.

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You just stick to softball .. or whatever theyre playing at Giants stadium right now... buy yourself a hotdog add abit of mustard... and wwhen the bloke on the loudspeaker gets you all to stand up to stretch... do as Simon says...

Leave the footy to those that understand it.

Campo an all time Great??...

what did he do when Williams.. Brown... Braddles .. Ratts and Co left???

If you can tell me how Campo was a frontliner... and demonstrate to me how Campo was a gun when he had to do it without all those blokes attractingt he attention... youll be able to demonstrate to me you know something about football.

Till then eat your pastrami sandwiches watch your Letterman.. and give the naked cowboy a tip....

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I've always defended Lance but I think he's just about done. His body seems to be breaking down and I can't see him playing beyond next year. I suspect Synbad may have been right all along on this one and we should have traded him.

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Even Mark Robinson conceded tonight on SEN that Lance has had his knee drained every week this season......so why are they playing him if he's not 100%?......THAT DOES INTRIGUE ME......

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It's obvious he's not fit to play, he may have his detractors but he's not as bad as he was on Sunday. I'm not a fan of playing injured players as puts a lot of pressure on the players themselves like Fev in 05' and Kouta/Stevo in 06'

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Can't argue a point without resorting to personal attacks can you.

You said Simpson gets his own ball. I'm still waiting for you to provide the stats to justify that statement. Yes I could go through his entire career and show you that you have no idea what you're talking about but as I said the last time I spoke to you- and I don't know why I bothered again- I don't need to be spoken to that way. It's time you and your mates started treating people with respect.

You wants stats to prove something so manifestly obvious.

You honestly believe Camporeale gets more hard ball than Kade Simpson.

Seriously if you believe that ......

You must have a regular supply of Peanuts from "Nobbies Nuts" to feed the Elephant that is residing in your living room.

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Yes keep on with your personal attacks because you can't argue a point in an intelligent manner. I'll stick to discussing things with those people here who can.

I'm not having a go at you - just the Elephant in your living room.


Seriously though do you need stats to prove that Camporeale is soft compared to Simpson.

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Let's hope the skippers form picks up as it will be problematic if they want to drop him to the Ants.

All Carlton players have been given a jumper number at the Bullants,except ten, who were nominated by Carlton as unlikely to appear with the Ants.

The ten are ...
Fevola Brendan
Koutoufides * Anthony
Murphy * Marc
Scotland * Heath
Simpson * Kade
Stevens * Nick
Thornton * Bret
Waite * Jarrad
Walker * Andrew
Whitnall * Lance

Interesting that Lappin has been given a Bullants number (as has Gibbs - although something tells me he won't need it)

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FFS have you guys lost all sense of reality.

We would have all loved it if Lance became the superstar that he threatened to have been in 1999. He didn't.

BUT he is nonethless a good to very good player.

We wanted, no, we needed a superstar during the dark days that we have all endured. We all wnated Lance to be that person - he wasn't, he isn't and he won't be. BUT he is at worst a good player. When he is in form he is clearly in our best 22 & dare I say it probably in our best 10.

Last year he was better than anyone else at Carlton over the course of 22 weeks. So far he is the worst after 1 game. Let's wait 'til round 22 until we judge him as being headed for the scrap heap.

If you expect someone to soar like an eagle and they don't then it's easy to bag them - however it doesn't make them a dud - perhaps your expectations of what they can give are too high.

Give it a reality check......over the past few years we have been shit. We are getting better.

All on TC are diehards, we want success, we want better than we have been given, but lots of things have conspired against us. It is not all Lance's fault despite him being highly paid and high profile. That simply makes him an easy target.

We are getting better. A time will come when most players are better than what was on offer last year. That time is not now - Lance and his skills, expertise are needed right now. Enjoy the ride whilst we get better and when we get there reflect on those, like Lance, who helped us get there.

He is part of the process to this once great club getting back to where we belong.

Over time Lance will be respected for what he has enabled this club to become.

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Campo was a very good player at his best and had to put up with taggers like Libba who got away with a lot more then than taggers do these days.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

It was after Bradley, Williams, Ratten, Brown had left the club and Campo had to put up with the taggers that he showed his true worth, he slunked back to the half back line and chased his cheap possessions demanding the cheap handball from the junior players as he ran past and playing on from the kickouts to boost his possession count.

A real hard nut was Camporeale.

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Maybe They are trying to keep Lappin honest for some reason...

Interesting watching the boys in the room after the game against richmond.

Pratt was shaking players hands as they were walking around in circles cooling down, and when it got to Lappins turn he walked away. He walked past Pratt again shortly after with abit of attitude aswell...Food for thought.

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Campo got a few cheapies and no he wasn't what you'd call a 'hard nut' and I doubt he was one of Carlton's "all time greats"; he was, however, a very good player and servant of the club over an extended period and I don't see why we feel as though we need to re-write history just because of his undignified exit. Just on the point though that Campo allegedly got a lot of his possessions cheaply in the backline: whilst it is true as I said before he got a lot of easy possessions, I feel there are two problems with this assertion. The first is that nobody was forced to give the ball to Campo, he just provided an option, other players were free do so as well. Campo did what he was within his rights to do and was probably told to do. The second problem is related to the first: Campo was always one of our better users of the footy. Logically, you want the ball in the hands of your best users. Hence, giving the ball to Campo seemed an obvious option. So I might be in the minority but I don't think there was anything overly heinous about what Campo did for the reasons explained above.

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In my living room are stats of the top 5 contested possessions at the club from 1998 onwards.

Camporeale was 3rd at the club in 1998, 5th in 1999, 3rd in 2000, 5th in 2001, 4th in 2002.

Simpson has never appeared in the top 5 at all.

As for handball receives- they're an important part of the modern possession game, particulalry for players who play the linkman role, which Campo did very well at. As noted above, players who aren't the greatest of kicks would be expected to handball to the better kickers in the team. Simpson was 5th at the club for handball receives in 2006.

Lappin played 2 games at the Bullants last year. I'm sure they'll find a number for anyone else if necessary. No one should think they're undroppable.